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Who was the QB coach that worked with Brees here? Who was the WR coach that worked with the WRs here? SP got Brees to care. But as far as his playcalling is concerned, it's nothing special. And teams are copying it anyway.

An Payton has definitely fallen off since 2012

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All I can say is that I hope Payton proves me wrong. I really do. I hope he makes me eat my words at the end of the season. I'm just disgusted with the way he has handled this ST problem w his buddy McMahon. It sends a bad message to the team and fans.

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FIRE VENTURI

......my bad

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I have a lot of mixed opinions on what several people are saying in here. First, I don't know why some make it sound like Brees was hot garbage before he came here. He was very good in his last couple of seasons in San Diego, and that was with the perennially awful Cam Cameron as his offensive coordinator. They let him go because he got hurt and they had already invested in a young QB before they knew Brees was going to turn it around.

So I disagree with those who say Payton made Brees. But I don't completely agree that Brees made Payton, either. I think Payton's system suits Drew and vice versa. But I don't think that Payton is anything close to a great coach at this point.

Being a coach is about more than drawing up plays. He mismanages his coaching staff, the clock, and has mismanaged several players over the last few years. He plays favorites with certain players just like he does with his coaches.

That doesn't make him a bad person, it just makes him a poor leader. This is a business, and you are paid a lot of money to make tough decisions and WIN. You can make as many excuses as you want about the injuries, but you can't deny all of the rest if you are honest with yourself. This is three years in a row of this team being a mess.

We have a good young nucleus, but until Payton cleans up the coaching staff and re-inserts some fire and discipline across the board, we might be a playoff team in the future, but I don't see us going far. Talent can overcome a lot, but it can't do it all. Payton must change the culture of favoritism and mediocrity or we'll need a new coach. Benson won't fire him, though.

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Well put 44. w/o #9, SP doesn't make it to the end of his 1st contract.
He has done nothing positive w/ this team since 2011 season.
Agreed Loomis also to blame. How many over paid free agents have contributed; how many draft picks have contributed; loss of 2012 season before it started On the way to
3 straight mediocre seasons. Time for changes.

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It appears that the D is finally getting their act together which is monumental. On the O side we have Drew throwing to all new faces this season but still putting up solid points. So bring in the new Special Teams Coach and phase out McMahon and get that under control. Problem is it's late in the season not much time left to make a run at a Wild Card.

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One positive thing is sent RR packing, but even that was later than it should have been.

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Very well said!

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1. Can't control the injuries so that's not Payton's fault.

2. Who's responsible for getting us a good ST coach?

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Great summation of where the Saints were, are and will be. I sometimes think that Payton started believing all of the hype about how brilliant he was.