Getting off the Sean Payton Bandwagon

NonieT · 11-22-2016, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by RailBoss

I think Brees made Coach Payton actually. With Drew's determination he would have made Miami a contender or wherever he went. SP was smart enough early on to convince him to come to New Orleans. But I still feel they compliment each other and I for one am glad that they are both here.
I also feel that Bounty-gate took it's toll on Coach Payton and chipped away at a bit of his integrity.

You have a right to you opinion but I disagree. Brees would have been great in San Diego if not for coaching. Tony Romo also had Payton, he's not as good as Brees but Brees has had Payton longer.

jeanpierre · 11-24-2016, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by NonieT

You have a right to you opinion but I disagree. Brees would have been great in San Diego if not for coaching. Tony Romo also had Payton, he's not as good as Brees but Brees has had Payton longer.

And Romo hadn't progressed after Payton left, even before the injuries...

Danno · 11-22-2016, 06:12 PM

Good grief, if we hadn't suffered a freakish amount of injuries and had a special teams coach, we'd likely be sitting at 7-3 or even 8-2.

Payton isn't the problem.

44Champs · 11-23-2016, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Good grief, if we hadn't suffered a freakish amount of injuries and had a special teams coach, we'd likely be sitting at 7-3 or even 8-2.

Payton isn't the problem.

1. Can't control the injuries so that's not Payton's fault.

2. Who's responsible for getting us a good ST coach?

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WillSaints81 · 11-23-2016, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by 44Champs

1. Can't control the injuries so that's not Payton's fault.

2. Who's responsible for getting us a good ST coach?

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In 2006 we had injuries to Horn and Colston. In 2009 we had injury to "he who shall not be named"(rhymes with Harper) down the stretch, in 2010 Brees played with injury and we lost Graham and Shockey both at one point, played most of the season without Reggie. We've won before with injuries.

foreverfan · 11-23-2016, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Good grief, if we hadn't suffered a freakish amount of injuries and had a special teams coach, we'd likely be sitting at 7-3 or even 8-2.

Payton isn't the problem.

Don't forget the TURNOVERS....

WillSaints81 · 11-22-2016, 08:48 PM

Who was the QB coach that worked with Brees here? Who was the WR coach that worked with the WRs here? SP got Brees to care. But as far as his playcalling is concerned, it's nothing special. And teams are copying it anyway.

An Payton has definitely fallen off since 2012

44Champs · 11-22-2016, 08:57 PM

All I can say is that I hope Payton proves me wrong. I really do. I hope he makes me eat my words at the end of the season. I'm just disgusted with the way he has handled this ST problem w his buddy McMahon. It sends a bad message to the team and fans.

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Halo · 11-22-2016, 11:10 PM

FIRE VENTURI

......my bad

burningmetal · 11-22-2016, 11:57 PM

I have a lot of mixed opinions on what several people are saying in here. First, I don't know why some make it sound like Brees was hot garbage before he came here. He was very good in his last couple of seasons in San Diego, and that was with the perennially awful Cam Cameron as his offensive coordinator. They let him go because he got hurt and they had already invested in a young QB before they knew Brees was going to turn it around.

So I disagree with those who say Payton made Brees. But I don't completely agree that Brees made Payton, either. I think Payton's system suits Drew and vice versa. But I don't think that Payton is anything close to a great coach at this point.

Being a coach is about more than drawing up plays. He mismanages his coaching staff, the clock, and has mismanaged several players over the last few years. He plays favorites with certain players just like he does with his coaches.

That doesn't make him a bad person, it just makes him a poor leader. This is a business, and you are paid a lot of money to make tough decisions and WIN. You can make as many excuses as you want about the injuries, but you can't deny all of the rest if you are honest with yourself. This is three years in a row of this team being a mess.

We have a good young nucleus, but until Payton cleans up the coaching staff and re-inserts some fire and discipline across the board, we might be a playoff team in the future, but I don't see us going far. Talent can overcome a lot, but it can't do it all. Payton must change the culture of favoritism and mediocrity or we'll need a new coach. Benson won't fire him, though.

11-22-2016, 07:10 PM	#1
NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: Getting off the Sean Payton Bandwagon Originally Posted by RailBoss I think Brees made Coach Payton actually. With Drew's determination he would have made Miami a contender or wherever he went. SP was smart enough early on to convince him to come to New Orleans. But I still feel they compliment each other and I for one am glad that they are both here. I also feel that Bounty-gate took it's toll on Coach Payton and chipped away at a bit of his integrity. You have a right to you opinion but I disagree. Brees would have been great in San Diego if not for coaching. Tony Romo also had Payton, he's not as good as Brees but Brees has had Payton longer.
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11-24-2016, 07:15 AM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Getting off the Sean Payton Bandwagon Originally Posted by NonieT You have a right to you opinion but I disagree. Brees would have been great in San Diego if not for coaching. Tony Romo also had Payton, he's not as good as Brees but Brees has had Payton longer. And Romo hadn't progressed after Payton left, even before the injuries... jnormand likes this.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Getting off the Sean Payton Bandwagon Good grief, if we hadn't suffered a freakish amount of injuries and had a special teams coach, we'd likely be sitting at 7-3 or even 8-2. Payton isn't the problem. MatthewT, RockyMountainSaint, foreverfan and 3 others like this.

11-23-2016, 08:43 AM	#4
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Re: Getting off the Sean Payton Bandwagon Originally Posted by Danno Good grief, if we hadn't suffered a freakish amount of injuries and had a special teams coach, we'd likely be sitting at 7-3 or even 8-2. Payton isn't the problem. 1. Can't control the injuries so that's not Payton's fault. 2. Who's responsible for getting us a good ST coach? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk RailBoss likes this.
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11-23-2016, 07:02 PM	#5
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,285	Re: Getting off the Sean Payton Bandwagon Originally Posted by 44Champs 1. Can't control the injuries so that's not Payton's fault. 2. Who's responsible for getting us a good ST coach? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk In 2006 we had injuries to Horn and Colston. In 2009 we had injury to "he who shall not be named"(rhymes with Harper) down the stretch, in 2010 Brees played with injury and we lost Graham and Shockey both at one point, played most of the season without Reggie. We've won before with injuries.

11-23-2016, 10:57 AM	#6
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Getting off the Sean Payton Bandwagon Originally Posted by Danno Good grief, if we hadn't suffered a freakish amount of injuries and had a special teams coach, we'd likely be sitting at 7-3 or even 8-2. Payton isn't the problem. Don't forget the TURNOVERS.... jnormand likes this.

11-22-2016, 08:48 PM	#7
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,285	Re: Getting off the Sean Payton Bandwagon Who was the QB coach that worked with Brees here? Who was the WR coach that worked with the WRs here? SP got Brees to care. But as far as his playcalling is concerned, it's nothing special. And teams are copying it anyway. An Payton has definitely fallen off since 2012 Attached Thumbnails

11-22-2016, 08:57 PM	#8
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Re: Getting off the Sean Payton Bandwagon All I can say is that I hope Payton proves me wrong. I really do. I hope he makes me eat my words at the end of the season. I'm just disgusted with the way he has handled this ST problem w his buddy McMahon. It sends a bad message to the team and fans. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk dam1953 and Audiotom like this.
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11-22-2016, 11:57 PM	#10
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Getting off the Sean Payton Bandwagon I have a lot of mixed opinions on what several people are saying in here. First, I don't know why some make it sound like Brees was hot garbage before he came here. He was very good in his last couple of seasons in San Diego, and that was with the perennially awful Cam Cameron as his offensive coordinator. They let him go because he got hurt and they had already invested in a young QB before they knew Brees was going to turn it around. So I disagree with those who say Payton made Brees. But I don't completely agree that Brees made Payton, either. I think Payton's system suits Drew and vice versa. But I don't think that Payton is anything close to a great coach at this point. Being a coach is about more than drawing up plays. He mismanages his coaching staff, the clock, and has mismanaged several players over the last few years. He plays favorites with certain players just like he does with his coaches. That doesn't make him a bad person, it just makes him a poor leader. This is a business, and you are paid a lot of money to make tough decisions and WIN. You can make as many excuses as you want about the injuries, but you can't deny all of the rest if you are honest with yourself. This is three years in a row of this team being a mess. We have a good young nucleus, but until Payton cleans up the coaching staff and re-inserts some fire and discipline across the board, we might be a playoff team in the future, but I don't see us going far. Talent can overcome a lot, but it can't do it all. Payton must change the culture of favoritism and mediocrity or we'll need a new coach. Benson won't fire him, though. AlaskaSaints, 44Champs and ChrisXVI like this.
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