Not a Single Saint Made the ProBowl

jnormand · 12-22-2016, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

How is it a slap in the face? Casual NFC fans don't care about stats. Brees' stats are not being talked about to the open public. How did Brees do against the lions and bucs? How did Brees do late against the raiders? How does Brees often respond to the other team scoring touchdowns early in games.

I'm not calling Brees elite now with how he's played this year. One good game against the cardinals does not make up for his early game flaws and complete flaws. The saints didn't want to run the ball enough to help them win the last two games.

I would be disappointed any other year but this year I'm not.

Dude are you nuts? I agree he had a couple bad games. So did Rodgers and every other QB. I'm not going to argue that he shouldn't make it but that's because of their record. But he leads the NFC in yards, TDs and completion percentage. If you don't call him elite, then you're going to be very disappointed when he retires and we have a mediocre QB. No offense Will but you sound like a Saints fan that became a fan in the last 10 years.

If you're going to knock him for his poor performances then you should give credit for his good ones too. Otherwise you just seem cynical and illogical.

WillSaints81 · 12-22-2016, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Dude are you nuts? I agree he had a couple bad games. So did Rodgers and every other QB. I'm not going to argue that he shouldn't make it but that's because of their record. But he leads the NFC in yards, TDs and completion percentage. If you don't call him elite, then you're going to be very disappointed when he retires and we have a mediocre QB. No offense Will but you sound like a Saints fan that became a fan in the last 10 years.

If you're going to knock him for his poor performances then you should give credit for his good ones too. Otherwise you just seem cynical and illogical.

I became a full-fledged fan in 2006(started to become one in 2004) so you're right.

Stafford is not elite. You don't let a qb like him beat you. And you will see why when Rodgers goes into Detroit week 17 and wins. You don't keep losing to a bucs team we held to 16 points when the defense gives you every opportunity to put a drive together.

If Brees is elite then Payton's the problem for saving his best years for years they can win everywhere and not just one side. That's not what winners do. The QB always comes first especially if we're gonna compare him to Brady. We've had something wrong on the offense each year.

jnormand · 12-23-2016, 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

I became a full-fledged fan in 2006(started to become one in 2004) so you're right.

Stafford is not elite. You don't let a qb like him beat you. And you will see why when Rodgers goes into Detroit week 17 and wins. You don't keep losing to a bucs team we held to 16 points when the defense gives you every opportunity to put a drive together.

If Brees is elite then Payton's the problem for saving his best years for years they can win everywhere and not just one side. That's not what winners do. The QB always comes first especially if we're gonna compare him to Brady. We've had something wrong on the offense each year.

Hey Will, Rodgers had several bad games in a row earlier this season and several fans and media were all asking "what's wrong with Rodgers?".

My point here is, that Brees is an elite QB. His numbers prove that. Yes he's had some bad games, but dude you can't say he's "not elite" because he had a few bad games. But your opinion is just that, yours. And I respect your right to have it, I just don't agree...At all. And I'm sure you don't agree with mine. You just seem to want to fire everyone.

WillSaints81 · 12-23-2016, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Hey Will, Rodgers had several bad games in a row earlier this season and several fans and media were all asking "what's wrong with Rodgers?".

My point here is, that Brees is an elite QB. His numbers prove that. Yes he's had some bad games, but dude you can't say he's "not elite" because he had a few bad games. But your opinion is just that, yours. And I respect your right to have it, I just don't agree...At all. And I'm sure you don't agree with mine. You just seem to want to fire everyone.

Rodgers has had injuries on offense the last two seasons EVERYWHERE. He has no running game and the packers weapons really are not better than ours. He has a aging wide receiver in Nelson who didn't show up early in the season. He's had oline issues as well. But Rodgers has also expressed his disappointment with McCarthy.

I'm not entirely blaming Brees. I'm blaming Payton. The best coach and qb tandems of all time did not miss the playoffs two years in a row, let alone three. Payton did put us in this mess with his actions in 2014 and if Brees wants to be a top passig qb he's got to have the offensive protection come first. If he was willing to hand it off as a game manager, that's different but he's not doing that. The way the saints are building bothers me.

If we are winning next year get ready to hear about BG and Katrina because that's what you get when you have flash in the pan seasons.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 12-23-2016, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Dude are you nuts? I agree he had a couple bad games. So did Rodgers and every other QB. I'm not going to argue that he shouldn't make it but that's because of their record. But he leads the NFC in yards, TDs and completion percentage. If you don't call him elite, then you're going to be very disappointed when he retires and we have a mediocre QB. No offense Will but you sound like a Saints fan that became a fan in the last 10 years.

If you're going to knock him for his poor performances then you should give credit for his good ones too. Otherwise you just seem cynical and illogical.

You have just brought logic into a popularity fight sir! There is no hope for you now!

The Pro Bowl is a combination of voting for the flavor of the month combined with voting for contant favorites regardless of performance. Brees is neither. So what if he finishes with 5000 yards and 40+ TDs?
To the fans he has the same flavor as old chewing gum.

SFIAH

Euphoria · 12-23-2016, 08:14 AM

I think its become more about WINNING. Your individual accomplishments get you a pay check but no pro bowl invites for you! You want people to care about you then the team has to win.

12-22-2016, 01:48 PM	#1
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,759	Re: Not a Single Saint Made the ProBowl Originally Posted by WillSaints81 How is it a slap in the face? Casual NFC fans don't care about stats. Brees' stats are not being talked about to the open public. How did Brees do against the lions and bucs? How did Brees do late against the raiders? How does Brees often respond to the other team scoring touchdowns early in games. I'm not calling Brees elite now with how he's played this year. One good game against the cardinals does not make up for his early game flaws and complete flaws. The saints didn't want to run the ball enough to help them win the last two games. I would be disappointed any other year but this year I'm not. Dude are you nuts? I agree he had a couple bad games. So did Rodgers and every other QB. I'm not going to argue that he shouldn't make it but that's because of their record. But he leads the NFC in yards, TDs and completion percentage. If you don't call him elite, then you're going to be very disappointed when he retires and we have a mediocre QB. No offense Will but you sound like a Saints fan that became a fan in the last 10 years. If you're going to knock him for his poor performances then you should give credit for his good ones too. Otherwise you just seem cynical and illogical.

12-22-2016, 04:06 PM	#2
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,283	Re: Not a Single Saint Made the ProBowl Originally Posted by jnormand Dude are you nuts? I agree he had a couple bad games. So did Rodgers and every other QB. I'm not going to argue that he shouldn't make it but that's because of their record. But he leads the NFC in yards, TDs and completion percentage. If you don't call him elite, then you're going to be very disappointed when he retires and we have a mediocre QB. No offense Will but you sound like a Saints fan that became a fan in the last 10 years. If you're going to knock him for his poor performances then you should give credit for his good ones too. Otherwise you just seem cynical and illogical. I became a full-fledged fan in 2006(started to become one in 2004) so you're right. Stafford is not elite. You don't let a qb like him beat you. And you will see why when Rodgers goes into Detroit week 17 and wins. You don't keep losing to a bucs team we held to 16 points when the defense gives you every opportunity to put a drive together. If Brees is elite then Payton's the problem for saving his best years for years they can win everywhere and not just one side. That's not what winners do. The QB always comes first especially if we're gonna compare him to Brady. We've had something wrong on the offense each year.

12-23-2016, 12:55 AM	#3
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,759	Re: Not a Single Saint Made the ProBowl Originally Posted by WillSaints81 I became a full-fledged fan in 2006(started to become one in 2004) so you're right. Stafford is not elite. You don't let a qb like him beat you. And you will see why when Rodgers goes into Detroit week 17 and wins. You don't keep losing to a bucs team we held to 16 points when the defense gives you every opportunity to put a drive together. If Brees is elite then Payton's the problem for saving his best years for years they can win everywhere and not just one side. That's not what winners do. The QB always comes first especially if we're gonna compare him to Brady. We've had something wrong on the offense each year. Hey Will, Rodgers had several bad games in a row earlier this season and several fans and media were all asking "what's wrong with Rodgers?". My point here is, that Brees is an elite QB. His numbers prove that. Yes he's had some bad games, but dude you can't say he's "not elite" because he had a few bad games. But your opinion is just that, yours. And I respect your right to have it, I just don't agree...At all. And I'm sure you don't agree with mine. You just seem to want to fire everyone.

12-23-2016, 04:07 PM	#4
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,283	Re: Not a Single Saint Made the ProBowl Originally Posted by jnormand Hey Will, Rodgers had several bad games in a row earlier this season and several fans and media were all asking "what's wrong with Rodgers?". My point here is, that Brees is an elite QB. His numbers prove that. Yes he's had some bad games, but dude you can't say he's "not elite" because he had a few bad games. But your opinion is just that, yours. And I respect your right to have it, I just don't agree...At all. And I'm sure you don't agree with mine. You just seem to want to fire everyone. Rodgers has had injuries on offense the last two seasons EVERYWHERE. He has no running game and the packers weapons really are not better than ours. He has a aging wide receiver in Nelson who didn't show up early in the season. He's had oline issues as well. But Rodgers has also expressed his disappointment with McCarthy. I'm not entirely blaming Brees. I'm blaming Payton. The best coach and qb tandems of all time did not miss the playoffs two years in a row, let alone three. Payton did put us in this mess with his actions in 2014 and if Brees wants to be a top passig qb he's got to have the offensive protection come first. If he was willing to hand it off as a game manager, that's different but he's not doing that. The way the saints are building bothers me. If we are winning next year get ready to hear about BG and Katrina because that's what you get when you have flash in the pan seasons.

12-23-2016, 07:28 AM	#5
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Not a Single Saint Made the ProBowl Originally Posted by jnormand Dude are you nuts? I agree he had a couple bad games. So did Rodgers and every other QB. I'm not going to argue that he shouldn't make it but that's because of their record. But he leads the NFC in yards, TDs and completion percentage. If you don't call him elite, then you're going to be very disappointed when he retires and we have a mediocre QB. No offense Will but you sound like a Saints fan that became a fan in the last 10 years. If you're going to knock him for his poor performances then you should give credit for his good ones too. Otherwise you just seem cynical and illogical. You have just brought logic into a popularity fight sir! There is no hope for you now! The Pro Bowl is a combination of voting for the flavor of the month combined with voting for contant favorites regardless of performance. Brees is neither. So what if he finishes with 5000 yards and 40+ TDs? To the fans he has the same flavor as old chewing gum. SFIAH jnormand likes this.

12-23-2016, 08:14 AM	#6
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Not a Single Saint Made the ProBowl I think its become more about WINNING. Your individual accomplishments get you a pay check but no pro bowl invites for you! You want people to care about you then the team has to win.

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