Saints explain why they think this 7-9 finish was different from past two

spkb25 · 01-05-2017, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

No. As long as ownership remains happy it doesn't matter at all. But, I see it as totally irrelevant anyway. I fully expect the Saints to be on the upswing.

If he keeps losing he is gone

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I fully expect the Saints to be on the upswing.

Big surprise, you still haven't owned that you were completely wrong about this team this year and how disappointing they were at 7-9. I mean if every year you say the same thing you are likely to be right at some point. That's not really anything extraordinary, it is the law of averages.

You were the guy that said you would fully expect us to win round one of the playoffs if we had made. That was right before we took a thumping at the hands of the Falcons.

We all hope the Saints are on the upswing. We all hope we win the SB next year.

44Champs · 01-04-2017, 09:34 PM

I dont think DA did a horrible job. But what ticks me off is that it took SP and Loomis this long to get us to the point where we finally have a young, respectable defense that plays with a lot of pride. They wasted away a great opportunity w the crap players and coaches that they put on the field the several years prior.

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blackangold · 01-04-2017, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by 44Champs

I dont think DA did a horrible job. But what ticks me off is that it took SP and Loomis this long to get us to the point where we finally have a young, respectable defense that plays with a lot of pride. They wasted away a great opportunity w the crap players and coaches that they put on the field the several years prior.

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All started when we got rid of our veterans on defense after the 2013 season.
Smith
Harper
Jenkins
Vilma
Greer
(Haralson too)

Now granted, it's likely most if not all of these players would have been back ups or role players, but you get rid of that many leaders in 1 season it's going to take time get that back.

44Champs · 01-04-2017, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

All started when we got rid of our veterans on defense after the 2013 season.
Smith
Harper
Jenkins
Vilma
Greer
(Haralson too)

Now granted, it's likely most if not all of these players would have been back ups or role players, but you get rid of that many leaders in 1 season it's going to take time get that back.

Agree. And on top of that you teplace them with the likes of Junior Galette. What a trainwreck that was.

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AsylumGuido · 01-05-2017, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by 44Champs

Agree. And on top of that you teplace them with the likes of Junior Galette. What a trainwreck that was.

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When Galette was racking up 12 sacks in 2013 everyone thought he was the next great Saint. It turned out, to everyone's surprise, he was damaged goods. It was too late to reverse field. The Saints could either keep him and his salary on board, complete with his ever growing locker room cancer and ever shrinking public image. The Saints did all that they could do by cutting him and eating the dead cap.

AsylumGuido · 01-05-2017, 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

All started when we got rid of our veterans on defense after the 2013 season.
Smith
Harper
Jenkins
Vilma
Greer
(Haralson too)

Now granted, it's likely most if not all of these players would have been back ups or role players, but you get rid of that many leaders in 1 season it's going to take time get that back.

For the last couple of years several people around here were screaming for a rebuild. Guess what? That's what happened. Those guys were all veterans that were getting paid like veterans. You can't have a roster full of backups getting paid like starters. You can't have it both ways. 2014 and 2015 saw the result of that missing leadership on the defensive side of the ball. 2016 saw the emergence of new young leadership, but also experienced crushing losses of the talent to the IR.

I have pointed all of this out before. Yes, the records were the same, but the 7-9 of 2016 was completely different. It comes with renewed hope for those willing to look at it objectively.

RockyMountainSaint · 01-04-2017, 10:57 PM

I will beat this dead horse again.
As long as SP keeps his horrible asst coaches that are his buddies?
We will go nowhere!!!!!
Why keep a fossilized coaching staff that doesn't produce?
If they were worth a crap, they would be promoted to another level by some other organization.
SP has NO ONE ON HIS STAFF THAT ANYONE ELSE WANTS!!!!
This is maddening!!!!!!
He should be pushed overboard for this reason alone.
He used to have good assistants but the competent ones are long gone.
Now, we always see the usual suspects 7-9 after 7-9.
I welcome any poster here to dispute or to try and rationalize this point.

SaintsBro · 01-05-2017, 08:56 AM

If they lose the first 2 games again next year, we'll know it's over in September. In fact, we'll know if it's over or not in early October, no matter what. If you can't string together more than two back-to-back wins in the NFL, you're not doing anything. I may be wrong, but I don't think they've won more than 3 straight in a row since October 2013.

AsylumGuido · 01-05-2017, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

If they lose the first 2 games again next year, we'll know it's over in September. In fact, we'll know if it's over or not in early October, no matter what. If you can't string together more than two back-to-back wins in the NFL, you're not doing anything. I may be wrong, but I don't think they've won more than 3 straight in a row since October 2013.

Does it matter who those first two games are against? Would you put the same weighting upon at Atlanta and hosting New England as you would hosting the Jets and the Bears?

SaintsBro · 01-05-2017, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Does it matter who those first two games are against? Would you put the same weighting upon at Atlanta and hosting New England as you would hosting the Jets and the Bears?

No at this point, it doesn't matter. Look at the history. There has never been a successful year where the Sean Payton era Saints have dug themselves out of a hole, once they are in one. Like I said, if you can't string together more than three games in a row in the NFL, your record will speak for itself, and will likely be 7-9, 8-8.... mediocre....exactly what we've been getting.

You're welcome to keep on enjoying a 7-9 team that's losing games every week by less than 7 points, with close finishes, implosions at the end, mistake laden football, and piles of passing yards in the second half....be my guest....you would probably enjoy a 7-9 season just as much as 13-3. But the 2006, 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2013 seasons all have something in common... in all those years, the team started strong right out the gate, in the first three or four games.

01-05-2017, 06:30 PM	#1
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Saints explain why they think this 7-9 finish was different from past two Originally Posted by AsylumGuido No. As long as ownership remains happy it doesn't matter at all. But, I see it as totally irrelevant anyway. I fully expect the Saints to be on the upswing. If he keeps losing he is gone Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I fully expect the Saints to be on the upswing. Big surprise, you still haven't owned that you were completely wrong about this team this year and how disappointing they were at 7-9. I mean if every year you say the same thing you are likely to be right at some point. That's not really anything extraordinary, it is the law of averages. You were the guy that said you would fully expect us to win round one of the playoffs if we had made. That was right before we took a thumping at the hands of the Falcons. We all hope the Saints are on the upswing. We all hope we win the SB next year.
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01-04-2017, 09:34 PM	#2
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Re: Saints explain why they think this 7-9 finish was different from past two I dont think DA did a horrible job. But what ticks me off is that it took SP and Loomis this long to get us to the point where we finally have a young, respectable defense that plays with a lot of pride. They wasted away a great opportunity w the crap players and coaches that they put on the field the several years prior. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk spkb25 likes this.
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01-04-2017, 11:00 PM	#3
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Saints explain why they think this 7-9 finish was different from past two Originally Posted by 44Champs I dont think DA did a horrible job. But what ticks me off is that it took SP and Loomis this long to get us to the point where we finally have a young, respectable defense that plays with a lot of pride. They wasted away a great opportunity w the crap players and coaches that they put on the field the several years prior. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk All started when we got rid of our veterans on defense after the 2013 season. Smith Harper Jenkins Vilma Greer (Haralson too) Now granted, it's likely most if not all of these players would have been back ups or role players, but you get rid of that many leaders in 1 season it's going to take time get that back. hagan714, foreverfan and Rugby Saint II like this.

01-04-2017, 11:49 PM	#4
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Re: Saints explain why they think this 7-9 finish was different from past two Originally Posted by blackangold All started when we got rid of our veterans on defense after the 2013 season. Smith Harper Jenkins Vilma Greer (Haralson too) Now granted, it's likely most if not all of these players would have been back ups or role players, but you get rid of that many leaders in 1 season it's going to take time get that back. Agree. And on top of that you teplace them with the likes of Junior Galette. What a trainwreck that was. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk
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01-05-2017, 07:38 AM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,492	Re: Saints explain why they think this 7-9 finish was different from past two Originally Posted by 44Champs Agree. And on top of that you teplace them with the likes of Junior Galette. What a trainwreck that was. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk When Galette was racking up 12 sacks in 2013 everyone thought he was the next great Saint. It turned out, to everyone's surprise, he was damaged goods. It was too late to reverse field. The Saints could either keep him and his salary on board, complete with his ever growing locker room cancer and ever shrinking public image. The Saints did all that they could do by cutting him and eating the dead cap. 44Champs likes this.

01-05-2017, 07:26 AM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,492	Re: Saints explain why they think this 7-9 finish was different from past two Originally Posted by blackangold All started when we got rid of our veterans on defense after the 2013 season. Smith Harper Jenkins Vilma Greer (Haralson too) Now granted, it's likely most if not all of these players would have been back ups or role players, but you get rid of that many leaders in 1 season it's going to take time get that back. For the last couple of years several people around here were screaming for a rebuild. Guess what? That's what happened. Those guys were all veterans that were getting paid like veterans. You can't have a roster full of backups getting paid like starters. You can't have it both ways. 2014 and 2015 saw the result of that missing leadership on the defensive side of the ball. 2016 saw the emergence of new young leadership, but also experienced crushing losses of the talent to the IR. I have pointed all of this out before. Yes, the records were the same, but the 7-9 of 2016 was completely different. It comes with renewed hope for those willing to look at it objectively. Rugby Saint II and WW_Who_Dat like this.
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01-04-2017, 10:57 PM	#7
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	Re: Saints explain why they think this 7-9 finish was different from past two I will beat this dead horse again. As long as SP keeps his horrible asst coaches that are his buddies? We will go nowhere!!!!! Why keep a fossilized coaching staff that doesn't produce? If they were worth a crap, they would be promoted to another level by some other organization. SP has NO ONE ON HIS STAFF THAT ANYONE ELSE WANTS!!!! This is maddening!!!!!! He should be pushed overboard for this reason alone. He used to have good assistants but the competent ones are long gone. Now, we always see the usual suspects 7-9 after 7-9. I welcome any poster here to dispute or to try and rationalize this point. Rugby Saint II and 44Champs like this.
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01-05-2017, 08:56 AM	#8
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints explain why they think this 7-9 finish was different from past two If they lose the first 2 games again next year, we'll know it's over in September. In fact, we'll know if it's over or not in early October, no matter what. If you can't string together more than two back-to-back wins in the NFL, you're not doing anything. I may be wrong, but I don't think they've won more than 3 straight in a row since October 2013.

01-05-2017, 09:10 AM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,492	Re: Saints explain why they think this 7-9 finish was different from past two Originally Posted by SaintsBro If they lose the first 2 games again next year, we'll know it's over in September. In fact, we'll know if it's over or not in early October, no matter what. If you can't string together more than two back-to-back wins in the NFL, you're not doing anything. I may be wrong, but I don't think they've won more than 3 straight in a row since October 2013. Does it matter who those first two games are against? Would you put the same weighting upon at Atlanta and hosting New England as you would hosting the Jets and the Bears?

01-05-2017, 03:18 PM	#10
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints explain why they think this 7-9 finish was different from past two Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Does it matter who those first two games are against? Would you put the same weighting upon at Atlanta and hosting New England as you would hosting the Jets and the Bears? No at this point, it doesn't matter. Look at the history. There has never been a successful year where the Sean Payton era Saints have dug themselves out of a hole, once they are in one. Like I said, if you can't string together more than three games in a row in the NFL, your record will speak for itself, and will likely be 7-9, 8-8.... mediocre....exactly what we've been getting. You're welcome to keep on enjoying a 7-9 team that's losing games every week by less than 7 points, with close finishes, implosions at the end, mistake laden football, and piles of passing yards in the second half....be my guest....you would probably enjoy a 7-9 season just as much as 13-3. But the 2006, 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2013 seasons all have something in common... in all those years, the team started strong right out the gate, in the first three or four games.

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