Saints explain why they think this 7-9 finish was different from past two

Halo · 01-04-2017, 01:24 AM

Mumbo jumbo.
Look, I'm a big Saints fan. But there's no excuse for going 7-9 three seasons in a row.

The Saints need to just suck it up and beg the fans to buy tickets.
If they let Sean Payton go, so be it. But that won't happen because there's no leadership at the very top - and that's Benson, who is disengaged.

Sean Payton is the only coach who went 7-9 two years in a row and scored a 5 year extension for the highest paid NFL coach in the NFL.

I'm disappointed in SP because he has arguably the best QB in the NFL, probably one of the greatest of all time, and in all the years here he has NEVER been able to assemble a defense worth bragging about. He's making 2009-10 look like a fluke.

That said I hope he proves me wrong and we go all the way next year. I'm more than happy to eat my words. From a business perspective, I don't know how SP survives other then the org is running on automatic.

spkb25 · 01-04-2017, 06:02 AM

Originally Posted by Halo

Mumbo jumbo.
Look, I'm a big Saints fan. But there's no excuse for going 7-9 three seasons in a row.

The Saints need to just suck it up and beg the fans to buy tickets.
If they let Sean Payton go, so be it. But that won't happen because there's no leadership at the very top - and that's Benson, who is disengaged.

Sean Payton is the only coach who went 7-9 two years in a row and scored a 5 year extension for the highest paid NFL coach in the NFL.

I'm disappointed in SP because he has arguably the best QB in the NFL, probably one of the greatest of all time, and in all the years here he has NEVER been able to assemble a defense worth bragging about. He's making 2009-10 look like a fluke.

That said I hope he proves me wrong and we go all the way next year. I'm more than happy to eat my words. From a business perspective, I don't know how SP survives other then the org is running on automatic.

Sho you right Ray Ray. Yep, fair and accurate analysis. I always enjoy being wrong, especially when it involves the Saints doing well, but I don't think we are as close as I previously thought. We have a lot of missing parts. Now maybe the guys that are injured come back and we are world beaters, but many of these guys are consistently injured, so what gives anyone the false sense that won't continue. I hope it doesn't I am just not banking on it.

We have 30 mil in cap space, awesome we are finally out of hell, but is Mick going to start ****ting pots of gold all over FA and get us back in trouble? Is Fairley going to be signed to some big contract and then poop the bed and we are left with another guy we cut that earns money? Something has to give or Low Energy is just going to continue churning that 7-9 butter

foreverfan · 01-04-2017, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by Halo

Mumbo jumbo.
Look, I'm a big Saints fan. But there's no excuse for going 7-9 three seasons in a row.

There is a reason and it is usually on the defensive side of the football...

Halo · 01-04-2017, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

There is a reason and it is usually on the defensive side of the football...

So what excuse is that?
SP is head coach and has his finger on player personnel decisions with Mickey Loomis. It's not like some idiot like Matt Millen is in the front office drafting players without consulting the head coach.

7-9 + 7-9 = BIGGEST COACHING CONTRACT IN NFL + 5 YEAR EXTENSION

The result... 7-9 in 2016 and missed playoffs third year in a row.

If defense is the problem, it's SP's job to FIX IT!

foreverfan · 01-04-2017, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

So what excuse is that?
SP is head coach and has his finger on player personnel decisions with Mickey Loomis. It's not like some idiot like Matt Millen is in the front office drafting players without consulting the head coach.

7-9 + 7-9 = BIGGEST COACHING CONTRACT IN NFL + 5 YEAR EXTENSION

The result... 7-9 in 2016 and missed playoffs third year in a row.

If defense is the problem, it's SP's job to FIX IT!

I thought I made my point clear... they suck worse than a hooker with emphysema.

AsylumGuido · 01-04-2017, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

So what excuse is that?
SP is head coach and has his finger on player personnel decisions with Mickey Loomis. It's not like some idiot like Matt Millen is in the front office drafting players without consulting the head coach.

7-9 + 7-9 = BIGGEST COACHING CONTRACT IN NFL + 5 YEAR EXTENSION

The result... 7-9 in 2016 and missed playoffs third year in a row.

If defense is the problem, it's SP's job to FIX IT!

Personally I feel Payton is fixing it. That's why he got rid of Ryan. Dennis Allen did a very respectable job improving a defense that was arguably the worst in the league the previous two season into one several notches better with patchwork players that will not be anywhere near good enough to make next season's roster with all of the defensive starters that left with injury.

I am seeing growth and improvement. Yes, the record was the same 7-9, but it was a far better team on the field than the previous two seasons.

RockyMountainSaint · 01-04-2017, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Personally I feel Payton is fixing it. That's why he got rid of Ryan. Dennis Allen did a very respectable job improving a defense that was arguably the worst in the league the previous two season into one several notches better with patchwork players that will not be anywhere near good enough to make next season's roster with all of the defensive starters that left with injury.

I am seeing growth and improvement. Yes, the record was the same 7-9, but it was a far better team on the field than the previous two seasons.

I felt the same way for most of the season.
I feel that way now.
BUT!!!!!!!
I am really pissed off with another 7-9 record.
Whenever I see 7-9 records for three straight seasons?
Recent logic goes out of the window!
I have to question whether I was thinking logically after the previous two seasons and explained it away.
I only see 7-9 right now.
It doesn't have to be logical.
Im just EXTEMELY TIRED OF 7-9, regardless of the reason it keeps happening.

01-04-2017, 01:24 AM	#1
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,907 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Saints explain why they think this 7-9 finish was different from past two Mumbo jumbo. Look, I'm a big Saints fan. But there's no excuse for going 7-9 three seasons in a row. The Saints need to just suck it up and beg the fans to buy tickets. If they let Sean Payton go, so be it. But that won't happen because there's no leadership at the very top - and that's Benson, who is disengaged. Sean Payton is the only coach who went 7-9 two years in a row and scored a 5 year extension for the highest paid NFL coach in the NFL. I'm disappointed in SP because he has arguably the best QB in the NFL, probably one of the greatest of all time, and in all the years here he has NEVER been able to assemble a defense worth bragging about. He's making 2009-10 look like a fluke. That said I hope he proves me wrong and we go all the way next year. I'm more than happy to eat my words. From a business perspective, I don't know how SP survives other then the org is running on automatic. UK_WhoDat, RockyMountainSaint, neugey and 6 others like this.
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01-04-2017, 06:02 AM	#2
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Saints explain why they think this 7-9 finish was different from past two Originally Posted by Halo Mumbo jumbo. Look, I'm a big Saints fan. But there's no excuse for going 7-9 three seasons in a row. The Saints need to just suck it up and beg the fans to buy tickets. If they let Sean Payton go, so be it. But that won't happen because there's no leadership at the very top - and that's Benson, who is disengaged. Sean Payton is the only coach who went 7-9 two years in a row and scored a 5 year extension for the highest paid NFL coach in the NFL. I'm disappointed in SP because he has arguably the best QB in the NFL, probably one of the greatest of all time, and in all the years here he has NEVER been able to assemble a defense worth bragging about. He's making 2009-10 look like a fluke. That said I hope he proves me wrong and we go all the way next year. I'm more than happy to eat my words. From a business perspective, I don't know how SP survives other then the org is running on automatic. Sho you right Ray Ray. Yep, fair and accurate analysis. I always enjoy being wrong, especially when it involves the Saints doing well, but I don't think we are as close as I previously thought. We have a lot of missing parts. Now maybe the guys that are injured come back and we are world beaters, but many of these guys are consistently injured, so what gives anyone the false sense that won't continue. I hope it doesn't I am just not banking on it. We have 30 mil in cap space, awesome we are finally out of hell, but is Mick going to start ****ting pots of gold all over FA and get us back in trouble? Is Fairley going to be signed to some big contract and then poop the bed and we are left with another guy we cut that earns money? Something has to give or Low Energy is just going to continue churning that 7-9 butter UK_WhoDat, foreverfan, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.
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01-04-2017, 09:34 AM	#3
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints explain why they think this 7-9 finish was different from past two Originally Posted by Halo Mumbo jumbo. Look, I'm a big Saints fan. But there's no excuse for going 7-9 three seasons in a row. There is a reason and it is usually on the defensive side of the football... jnormand, neugey and SmashMouth like this.

01-04-2017, 11:33 AM	#4
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,907 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Saints explain why they think this 7-9 finish was different from past two Originally Posted by foreverfan There is a reason and it is usually on the defensive side of the football... So what excuse is that? SP is head coach and has his finger on player personnel decisions with Mickey Loomis. It's not like some idiot like Matt Millen is in the front office drafting players without consulting the head coach. 7-9 + 7-9 = BIGGEST COACHING CONTRACT IN NFL + 5 YEAR EXTENSION The result... 7-9 in 2016 and missed playoffs third year in a row. If defense is the problem, it's SP's job to FIX IT! jnormand, RockyMountainSaint, hagan714 and 4 others like this.

01-04-2017, 12:24 PM	#5
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints explain why they think this 7-9 finish was different from past two Originally Posted by Halo So what excuse is that? SP is head coach and has his finger on player personnel decisions with Mickey Loomis. It's not like some idiot like Matt Millen is in the front office drafting players without consulting the head coach. 7-9 + 7-9 = BIGGEST COACHING CONTRACT IN NFL + 5 YEAR EXTENSION The result... 7-9 in 2016 and missed playoffs third year in a row. If defense is the problem, it's SP's job to FIX IT! I thought I made my point clear... they suck worse than a hooker with emphysema. Halo and jnormand like this.

01-04-2017, 02:21 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,768	Re: Saints explain why they think this 7-9 finish was different from past two Originally Posted by Halo So what excuse is that? SP is head coach and has his finger on player personnel decisions with Mickey Loomis. It's not like some idiot like Matt Millen is in the front office drafting players without consulting the head coach. 7-9 + 7-9 = BIGGEST COACHING CONTRACT IN NFL + 5 YEAR EXTENSION The result... 7-9 in 2016 and missed playoffs third year in a row. If defense is the problem, it's SP's job to FIX IT! Personally I feel Payton is fixing it. That's why he got rid of Ryan. Dennis Allen did a very respectable job improving a defense that was arguably the worst in the league the previous two season into one several notches better with patchwork players that will not be anywhere near good enough to make next season's roster with all of the defensive starters that left with injury. I am seeing growth and improvement. Yes, the record was the same 7-9, but it was a far better team on the field than the previous two seasons. jlouhill, frydaddy and darksoul35 like this.

01-04-2017, 10:44 PM	#7
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	Re: Saints explain why they think this 7-9 finish was different from past two Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Personally I feel Payton is fixing it. That's why he got rid of Ryan. Dennis Allen did a very respectable job improving a defense that was arguably the worst in the league the previous two season into one several notches better with patchwork players that will not be anywhere near good enough to make next season's roster with all of the defensive starters that left with injury. I am seeing growth and improvement. Yes, the record was the same 7-9, but it was a far better team on the field than the previous two seasons. I felt the same way for most of the season. I feel that way now. BUT!!!!!!! I am really pissed off with another 7-9 record. Whenever I see 7-9 records for three straight seasons? Recent logic goes out of the window! I have to question whether I was thinking logically after the previous two seasons and explained it away. I only see 7-9 right now. It doesn't have to be logical. Im just EXTEMELY TIRED OF 7-9, regardless of the reason it keeps happening.

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