Re: You're Sean Payton
 

I agree that the draft picks have improved as of late. I also think that the FA's we brought in last year were some of the best since Payton's early years in NO. So, things seem to be heading in the right direction. I don't understand how we signed Galette to a multiyear contract one year and cut him the next because he was a disruptive force in the locker room. Years back, when the Saints were a premier team and people were using the dynasty word, Loomis commented how he and Payton focussed on bringing in athletes with character. Seems that someone lost the ability to diagnose a cancer.

It appears that during Payton's year away from the team has had a long term impact. Hopefully, this will get things in order in time for Brees to get us another ring.

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It was my understanding that Galette was outwardly an ideal teammate the year before the contract and he was the most impactful defensive player. Perhaps getting all of that money let him lower his guard. His low life friends definitely became involved right away. Then that tape of the fight came out where he was beating that chick with a beat buckle. The Saints had no choice. It sucked in every which way, but it was what it was.

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The point that you are missing is that Phillips' scheme doesn't match the Saints personnel at all. Payton has gone down that street before. It will not happen again, even IF Wade was willing to go to a team with no players to fit his scheme. Is it technically possible? Yes, but it makes no sense whatsoever for any of the parties involved. Personally I would be shocked if Elway let him go.

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Oh, so yet another point I am missing... ok.

What makes you so sure Phillips' scheme doesn't match Saints personnel at all?
Being how historically bad the Saints defense has been the past few years, a very valid argument can be made that the Saints either don't have the personnel to run what they want to run, or they have no idea what to do with the personnel they have.

Any other point I am missing?

Re: You're Sean Payton
 

I keep seeing this thread. I keep looking in my wallet. It is VERY CLEAR to me I am NOT Sean Payton.

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What Saints personel do you keep talking about? Jordan and Vaccarro? If so they are easily replaced in a trade. Fairleys not under contract and who knows what type of money he wants or if he will be back., so where lies the problem. I bet our #1 pick Anthony balls out sitting next to Ellerbe and Robinson could slide inside and out with Ellerbe and don't think Ediboli isn't good in a 3-4, he is.. Davidson, Rankins and Omy up front, pick up another servicable nose but where we might hurt is the glass secondary we have which is a problem now.. Draft a top cb and pick up a good FA and there is your 3-4 and I'm no Phillip. Ireland could do this scheme quite easily and with Phillips running it, we're instanly back in the hunt and would be insanely better the following year.

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Good points there Halloween. Thing is...they aren't going to get rid of DA right now. If they do, I'd be surprised. So whether fans agree with it or not, it's more than likely going to be DA and a 4-3 look. They're not going to bring in Phillips for a defensive assistant job. He's at the very least a DC and possibly a HC if he wants.

I'm willing to give DA another shot to see what he can do with another full off season. I'm really impressed with some of the draft picks and I thought the FA's picked up were serviceable. I'm hopeful that he can turn things around on that side of the ball. In the end, if the Saints aren't successful next season, I think all the coaches are going to be fired anyway. Lol.

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True enough. It always made me go "Hmmm". One minute he was the D captain. The next minute he was cancer and out the door.....with a big bag of cash. Looks like he either did a good job hiding how big a jerk he really was or none of his coaches OR teammates are worth a F as judges of character.

As things worked out, he blew his Achilles 2x. Not to say it would have happened in NO, but he hasn't been of much value to Washington. Sad part is he sits on the bench *****ing about NO while we are writing him a big check. The Saints need to add a clause to the contracts. "You leave and burn the bridge....we burn the checkbook." It may not help the team much but we fans wouldn't have to read/listen to the crap.

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LOL!!

"easily replaced in a trade"

Where did you get that idea? Trading is extremely difficult in the NFL when dealing with player salaries and that is IF you can even find a willing trade partner with something you would want in trade.

But, since Allen isn't going anywhere you can come up with all the fantasy scenarios you want. If you can pretend the Saints could and would pick up Phillips I guess you can also pretend that it could be made to work instead of being yet another disaster that comes from that revolving door at DC as was mentioned earlier.

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First of all, as halloween pointed out, our two, and perhaps as many as our FOUR best defensive players are not 3-4 type players. As he mentioned, we would have to get rid of Cam Jordan and Kenny Vacarro and not retain Fairley. He also assumes that Rankins, who looked like a stud in the 4-3, could seamlessly convert to a NT. He would be wasted at that position.

Now, as for the last few years, in 2012, Coach Spagnuolo attempted to pigeon hole players that were primarily 3-4 players into his strict 4-3. It was a disaster. In comes Rob Ryan in 2013. As he had done previously at Dallas, he introduced a stripped down version of his 3-4. There was enough 3-4 personnel to make it work that first year. In 2014 he fully implemented his defense which to say it is complex is an understatement. The defense looked lost. Some of the players were still more suited to a 4-3, such as Jordan. In 2015 Payton saw that the Ryan experiment wasn't working and brought in Allen. Allen quickly started using players to their strengths. This past season you know what happened with the injuries. Allen is flexible in his scheming, not like Phillips who is strictly a 3-4 coach.