This is a decent aricle

AsylumGuido · 01-07-2017, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

If some of you desire some sort of confirmation, here you go

Blame for 7-9

Defense 40%
Special Teams 40%
Offense 20%

That sounds about right to me.

Sounds right to me. Can we finally put this whole topic to rest?

NonieT · 01-07-2017, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

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The Saints have never had the mentality of putting their foot on a team's throat.

Yes they have. They just haven't had it lately, like the last 3 years.

Euphoria · 01-07-2017, 03:35 PM

so essentially our record is exactly what it says we are...

spkb25 · 01-07-2017, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

so essentially our record is exactly what it says we are...

Man that is the absolute truest thing ever, great post!

Seer1 · 01-07-2017, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by NonieT

Yes they have. They just haven't had it lately, like the last 3 years.

I think they're just looking for their shoe...

AsylumGuido · 01-07-2017, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

so essentially our record is exactly what it says we are...

No, we were what our record says we were. Big difference.

Rugby Saint II · 01-07-2017, 04:34 PM

Two words. Contingency plan!!! We look good on paper(not so much getting off the bus). When we lost half our team to IR our teams back ups weren't good enough because we had no depth due to poor drafting. We should have taken a look at our entire organization better than our year end review done in house by the same folks year after year. No one was prepared with a different and creative plan when things went south. We needed at least four contingency plans for any scenario like the military. We need to be better prepared.

We've gotten stale and stubborn in our old ways. Cutting Vitt and McMahon was a good start at getting some fresh air in the stale war room. We need some youthful energy and a fresh perspective on Airline Drive. We've been hit and miss after other teams raided our coaches since the Super bowl. It seems that most coaches who leave fail at the next level and come back because they are successful in the system. We need critical thinking and attention to detail that some of the older coaches didn't seem to possess. They never seemed to communicate with the younger players. They were fine with vets who came in who already understood the basics.

We need to continue with bringing in better talent through better scouting in the Pro scouting dept. Our free agent signings have not been very good.......we've had a few hits but mostly misses. Especially with the big ticket free agents. The college scouting under Ireland has been good so far but we certainly have room for improvement drafting offensive players.

I am afraid that we are still in the win now mode though and will spend every dollar we can for quick fixes and just try to plug the holes behind them with low level talent hoping we can coach them up. We'll see what happens with that.

AsylumGuido · 01-07-2017, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Two words. Contingency plan!!! We look good on paper(not so much getting off the bus). When we lost half our team to IR our teams back ups weren't good enough because we had no depth due to poor drafting. We should have taken a look at our entire organization better than our year end review done in house by the same folks year after year. No one was prepared with a different and creative plan when things went south. We needed at least four contingency plans for any scenario like the military. We need to be better prepared.

We've gotten stale and stubborn in our old ways. Cutting Vitt and McMahon was a good start at getting some fresh air in the stale war room. We need some youthful energy and a fresh perspective on Airline Drive. We've been hit and miss after other teams raided our coaches since the Super bowl. It seems that most coaches who leave fail at the next level and come back because they are successful in the system. We need critical thinking and attention to detail that some of the older coaches didn't seem to possess. They never seemed to communicate with the younger players. They were fine with vets who came in who already understood the basics.

We need to continue with bringing in better talent through better scouting in the Pro scouting dept. Our free agent signings have not been very good.......we've had a few hits but mostly misses. Especially with the big ticket free agents. The college scouting under Ireland has been good so far but we certainly have room for improvement drafting offensive players.

I am afraid that we are still in the win now mode though and will spend every dollar we can for quick fixes and just try to plug the holes behind them with low level talent hoping we can coach them up. We'll see what happens with

Of course we are in the win now mode. After totally rebuilding the roster since the end of the 2013 season why wouldn't we be. We have the youngest roster that we have had for decades. Couple that with the fact that we still have one of the best QB's in the league on the roster and as some have pointed out, we don't know how many more years we will have him. It may take another 20 years to luck into another QB that can win the whole thing. What other mode than win it now should we be in?

Rugby Saint II · 01-07-2017, 04:56 PM

I'm not worried about the win now mentality. I'm still worried about the plan to turn things around using the same minds that got us here. I'm worried that Loomis will not reign in Payton and his gambling tendencies. The Pro Scouting department worries me because they have been very erratic at finding talent on the open market and usually over pay for the coveted free agents.

Our future looks bright and we seem to be on the right track after the last couple of drafts with some new leadership in house.....but I'm not betting the farm on it.

lee909 · 01-07-2017, 05:05 PM

Theres alot to come from some of these players imo.

Id really like to see some specialist coaches to come in to work one on one with some players. Mike Singletary is a defensive assistant for the Rams. Would love to see him working with the Linebackers. Think he would work wonders with Anthony. If not him somebody like Vilma,not as the LB coach but an assistant to work with Anthony one on one. The man has talent but needs to start showing what he can do

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: This is a decent aricle Originally Posted by Danno If some of you desire some sort of confirmation, here you go Blame for 7-9 Defense 40% Special Teams 40% Offense 20% That sounds about right to me. Sounds right to me. Can we finally put this whole topic to rest? Danno likes this.

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NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: This is a decent aricle Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 " The Saints have never had the mentality of putting their foot on a team's throat. Yes they have. They just haven't had it lately, like the last 3 years.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: This is a decent aricle Originally Posted by Euphoria so essentially our record is exactly what it says we are... No, we were what our record says we were. Big difference.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: This is a decent aricle Two words. Contingency plan!!! We look good on paper(not so much getting off the bus). When we lost half our team to IR our teams back ups weren't good enough because we had no depth due to poor drafting. We should have taken a look at our entire organization better than our year end review done in house by the same folks year after year. No one was prepared with a different and creative plan when things went south. We needed at least four contingency plans for any scenario like the military. We need to be better prepared. We've gotten stale and stubborn in our old ways. Cutting Vitt and McMahon was a good start at getting some fresh air in the stale war room. We need some youthful energy and a fresh perspective on Airline Drive. We've been hit and miss after other teams raided our coaches since the Super bowl. It seems that most coaches who leave fail at the next level and come back because they are successful in the system. We need critical thinking and attention to detail that some of the older coaches didn't seem to possess. They never seemed to communicate with the younger players. They were fine with vets who came in who already understood the basics. We need to continue with bringing in better talent through better scouting in the Pro scouting dept. Our free agent signings have not been very good.......we've had a few hits but mostly misses. Especially with the big ticket free agents. The college scouting under Ireland has been good so far but we certainly have room for improvement drafting offensive players. I am afraid that we are still in the win now mode though and will spend every dollar we can for quick fixes and just try to plug the holes behind them with low level talent hoping we can coach them up. We'll see what happens with that. spkb25 and hagan714 like this.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: This is a decent aricle Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Two words. Contingency plan!!! We look good on paper(not so much getting off the bus). When we lost half our team to IR our teams back ups weren't good enough because we had no depth due to poor drafting. We should have taken a look at our entire organization better than our year end review done in house by the same folks year after year. No one was prepared with a different and creative plan when things went south. We needed at least four contingency plans for any scenario like the military. We need to be better prepared. We've gotten stale and stubborn in our old ways. Cutting Vitt and McMahon was a good start at getting some fresh air in the stale war room. We need some youthful energy and a fresh perspective on Airline Drive. We've been hit and miss after other teams raided our coaches since the Super bowl. It seems that most coaches who leave fail at the next level and come back because they are successful in the system. We need critical thinking and attention to detail that some of the older coaches didn't seem to possess. They never seemed to communicate with the younger players. They were fine with vets who came in who already understood the basics. We need to continue with bringing in better talent through better scouting in the Pro scouting dept. Our free agent signings have not been very good.......we've had a few hits but mostly misses. Especially with the big ticket free agents. The college scouting under Ireland has been good so far but we certainly have room for improvement drafting offensive players. I am afraid that we are still in the win now mode though and will spend every dollar we can for quick fixes and just try to plug the holes behind them with low level talent hoping we can coach them up. We'll see what happens with Of course we are in the win now mode. After totally rebuilding the roster since the end of the 2013 season why wouldn't we be. We have the youngest roster that we have had for decades. Couple that with the fact that we still have one of the best QB's in the league on the roster and as some have pointed out, we don't know how many more years we will have him. It may take another 20 years to luck into another QB that can win the whole thing. What other mode than win it now should we be in?
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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: This is a decent aricle I'm not worried about the win now mentality. I'm still worried about the plan to turn things around using the same minds that got us here. I'm worried that Loomis will not reign in Payton and his gambling tendencies. The Pro Scouting department worries me because they have been very erratic at finding talent on the open market and usually over pay for the coveted free agents. Our future looks bright and we seem to be on the right track after the last couple of drafts with some new leadership in house.....but I'm not betting the farm on it. spkb25, hagan714 and AsylumGuido like this.
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lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,809 Blog Entries: 1	Re: This is a decent aricle Theres alot to come from some of these players imo. Id really like to see some specialist coaches to come in to work one on one with some players. Mike Singletary is a defensive assistant for the Rams. Would love to see him working with the Linebackers. Think he would work wonders with Anthony. If not him somebody like Vilma,not as the LB coach but an assistant to work with Anthony one on one. The man has talent but needs to start showing what he can do Rugby Saint II likes this.

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