CSC: If cut, Saints should welcome Jimmy Graham home with open arms

ScottF · 01-24-2017, 12:06 PM

SP makes the personnel decisions and obviously wasn't happy with Graham's play and/or attitude. Saw max value at the time and made a great trade.

You don't just up and trade an All-Pro player based on something minor.

On the comeback option, pass.
We have the top-ranked offense. Unless they allow another ball on the field he won't add enough to justify 10 million a year

jnormand · 01-24-2017, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What social media stuff besides that one deleted tweet that I posted? I've heard a few people talking about it, but it never happened. I have always followed Graham on twitter and facebook and he has always been professional online ... other than that one ill thought tweet that he quickly felt better about.

Ok. Based on that one tweet, the way he went with the paid like a receiver bs (and I don't care if it was NFLPA driven) and how he acted this past season, it IS MY OPINION that he's immature.

And don't tell me how the paid like a receiver thing was NFLPA driven. I don't care. It was a huge distraction and it was annoying. And to take a page out your book, how do you know that? How do you know it wasn't Jimmy pushing and asking for help from the NFLPA?

Point is, I don't mind Jimmy and wouldn't mind having him back at a fair contract. BUT IT IS MY OPINION that Brees was a bit one dementional while he was here as well.

AsylumGuido · 01-24-2017, 12:09 PM

Graham's ONLY other tweet about anything to do with the position conflict or the trade was right after the trade occurred. He posted, "Wow unbelievable. Shocked and disappointed on everything that's gone on this offseason."

I think he was speaking for most of us.

The only think I can think of is that y'all are getting things confused with Gallete. He was a total ass after he was moved. And we know that he was a psycho.

AsylumGuido · 01-24-2017, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Ok. Based on that one tweet, the way he went with the paid like a receiver bs (and I don't care if it was NFLPA driven) and how he acted this past season, it IS MY OPINION that he's immature.

And don't tell me how the paid like a receiver thing was NFLPA driven. I don't care. It was a huge distraction and it was annoying. And to take a page out your book, how do you know that? How do you know it wasn't Jimmy pushing and asking for help from the NFLPA?

Point is, I don't mind Jimmy and wouldn't mind having him back at a fair contract. BUT IT IS MY OPINION that Brees was a bit one dementional while he was here as well.

Yes it was one dimensional, but I seriously doubt with the talent we now have at WR that would not be the case. And regardless of what you feel and however much you felt the distraction was, that was all the NFLPA. Not one time, not one single time, did Graham ever say anything on the matter. Not once. The PA let him take the heat, just like they did with Brees, while they pushed their agenda.

Seer1 · 01-24-2017, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Yes it was one dimensional, but I seriously doubt with the talent we now have at WR that would not be the case. And regardless of what you feel and however much you felt the distraction was, that was all the NFLPA. Not one time, not one single time, did Graham ever say anything on the matter. Not once. The PA let him take the heat, just like they did with Brees, while they pushed their agenda.

That is a good point. Drew does have some other receivers he can trust now. Some that are already verging on greatness. Bring him in on a fair contract plus draft us a stud TE as well. If the OL can keep the pressure off then Drew and all his crew will have an amazing, record breaking year.

jnormand · 01-24-2017, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Yes it was one dimensional, but I seriously doubt with the talent we now have at WR that would not be the case. And regardless of what you feel and however much you felt the distraction was, that was all the NFLPA. Not one time, not one single time, did Graham ever say anything on the matter. Not once. The PA let him take the heat, just like they did with Brees, while they pushed their agenda.

How do you know that? Did you talk to the PA? Did you talk to Jimmy? Not one time have I seen that the PA was completely behind it.

See what I'm doing here?

There's two sides to almost everything. Almost everything we know as fans is speculation and opinion.

So that's my opinion on the matter. It has its basis and I think it's logical, as is yours. I'm not hurting Jimmy's feelings. Trust me.

AsylumGuido · 01-24-2017, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

How do you know that? Did you talk to the PA? Did you talk to Jimmy? Not one time have I seen that the PA was completely behind it.

See what I'm doing here?

There's two sides to almost everything. Almost everything we know as fans is speculation and opinion.

So that's my opinion on the matter. It has its basis and I think it's logical, as is yours. I'm not hurting Jimmy's feelings. Trust me.

I had heard conversations with more than one legal correspondent saying exactly what I am saying. I'm not making it up. I am repeating what I heard. They basically said that the matter was a precedent setting argument and it was not a Graham issue as much as it was the PA hoping to redefine franchise tagging of "hybrid" type players. They were hoping that it could be translated to DE/OLB, SS/LB, CB/safety, etc. I heard these conversations on both ESPN radio and NFL radio.

It wasn't about Graham being paid as a WR. It was about franchise designations and their corresponding amounts.

frydaddy · 01-24-2017, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I do have twitter and I know for a fact that there were no other tweets. You are believing in something that was spread by people that didn't know. You do have access to Google, right? Do a little research instead of listening to people that do not know what they are talking about. Besides that one tweet that I listed and was almost immediately deleted, he was nothing but professional publicly.

Edit: and nobody here has posted any other venomous tweets.

Saw the tweets posted here with my own eyes dude. So unless it was a fake account, yes, they happened. Maybe he quickly deleted those too, hooray for him. That just means he's smart enough to realize, in hindsight, that he only makes himself look bad with stuff like that. In no way does it make me believe that he didn't mean what he said.

Also, consider his behavior before and after our game with the Seahawks this past season. Refusing to speak to the local media. If that happened in a vacuum I might shrug it off. But coupled with the tweets (whether you believe they were real or not) it paints a pretty clear picture.

I have come to understand, respect and even occasionally agree with your point of view on certain things over the past few months. However, your steadfast refusal to admit when you're wrong and your tendency to blast people for their assumptions when you yourself can do no more than assume that you're always right smacks of hypocrisy.

voodooido · 01-24-2017, 03:07 PM

Would love to see him and Fleener. Be a tough one to afford though

Papa Voodoo · 01-24-2017, 03:15 PM

I think he would come back in a heartbeat. Most dominant to non-existent in the span of 2 years. He wants to be productive like he was in NO.

01-24-2017, 12:06 PM	#31
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: CSC: If cut, Saints should welcome Jimmy Graham home with open arms SP makes the personnel decisions and obviously wasn't happy with Graham's play and/or attitude. Saw max value at the time and made a great trade. You don't just up and trade an All-Pro player based on something minor. On the comeback option, pass. We have the top-ranked offense. Unless they allow another ball on the field he won't add enough to justify 10 million a year jnormand likes this.

01-24-2017, 12:07 PM	#32
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,647	Re: CSC: If cut, Saints should welcome Jimmy Graham home with open arms Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What social media stuff besides that one deleted tweet that I posted? I've heard a few people talking about it, but it never happened. I have always followed Graham on twitter and facebook and he has always been professional online ... other than that one ill thought tweet that he quickly felt better about. Ok. Based on that one tweet, the way he went with the paid like a receiver bs (and I don't care if it was NFLPA driven) and how he acted this past season, it IS MY OPINION that he's immature. And don't tell me how the paid like a receiver thing was NFLPA driven. I don't care. It was a huge distraction and it was annoying. And to take a page out your book, how do you know that? How do you know it wasn't Jimmy pushing and asking for help from the NFLPA? Point is, I don't mind Jimmy and wouldn't mind having him back at a fair contract. BUT IT IS MY OPINION that Brees was a bit one dementional while he was here as well.

01-24-2017, 12:09 PM	#33
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,045	Re: CSC: If cut, Saints should welcome Jimmy Graham home with open arms Graham's ONLY other tweet about anything to do with the position conflict or the trade was right after the trade occurred. He posted, "Wow unbelievable. Shocked and disappointed on everything that's gone on this offseason." I think he was speaking for most of us. The only think I can think of is that y'all are getting things confused with Gallete. He was a total ass after he was moved. And we know that he was a psycho.

01-24-2017, 12:15 PM	#34
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,045	Re: CSC: If cut, Saints should welcome Jimmy Graham home with open arms Originally Posted by jnormand Ok. Based on that one tweet, the way he went with the paid like a receiver bs (and I don't care if it was NFLPA driven) and how he acted this past season, it IS MY OPINION that he's immature. And don't tell me how the paid like a receiver thing was NFLPA driven. I don't care. It was a huge distraction and it was annoying. And to take a page out your book, how do you know that? How do you know it wasn't Jimmy pushing and asking for help from the NFLPA? Point is, I don't mind Jimmy and wouldn't mind having him back at a fair contract. BUT IT IS MY OPINION that Brees was a bit one dementional while he was here as well. Yes it was one dimensional, but I seriously doubt with the talent we now have at WR that would not be the case. And regardless of what you feel and however much you felt the distraction was, that was all the NFLPA. Not one time, not one single time, did Graham ever say anything on the matter. Not once. The PA let him take the heat, just like they did with Brees, while they pushed their agenda.

01-24-2017, 12:29 PM	#35
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: CSC: If cut, Saints should welcome Jimmy Graham home with open arms Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Yes it was one dimensional, but I seriously doubt with the talent we now have at WR that would not be the case. And regardless of what you feel and however much you felt the distraction was, that was all the NFLPA. Not one time, not one single time, did Graham ever say anything on the matter. Not once. The PA let him take the heat, just like they did with Brees, while they pushed their agenda. That is a good point. Drew does have some other receivers he can trust now. Some that are already verging on greatness. Bring him in on a fair contract plus draft us a stud TE as well. If the OL can keep the pressure off then Drew and all his crew will have an amazing, record breaking year.

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01-24-2017, 12:35 PM	#36
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,647	Re: CSC: If cut, Saints should welcome Jimmy Graham home with open arms Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Yes it was one dimensional, but I seriously doubt with the talent we now have at WR that would not be the case. And regardless of what you feel and however much you felt the distraction was, that was all the NFLPA. Not one time, not one single time, did Graham ever say anything on the matter. Not once. The PA let him take the heat, just like they did with Brees, while they pushed their agenda. How do you know that? Did you talk to the PA? Did you talk to Jimmy? Not one time have I seen that the PA was completely behind it. See what I'm doing here? There's two sides to almost everything. Almost everything we know as fans is speculation and opinion. So that's my opinion on the matter. It has its basis and I think it's logical, as is yours. I'm not hurting Jimmy's feelings. Trust me. ScottF, 44Champs and K Major like this.

01-24-2017, 12:45 PM	#37
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,045	Re: CSC: If cut, Saints should welcome Jimmy Graham home with open arms Originally Posted by jnormand How do you know that? Did you talk to the PA? Did you talk to Jimmy? Not one time have I seen that the PA was completely behind it. See what I'm doing here? There's two sides to almost everything. Almost everything we know as fans is speculation and opinion. So that's my opinion on the matter. It has its basis and I think it's logical, as is yours. I'm not hurting Jimmy's feelings. Trust me. I had heard conversations with more than one legal correspondent saying exactly what I am saying. I'm not making it up. I am repeating what I heard. They basically said that the matter was a precedent setting argument and it was not a Graham issue as much as it was the PA hoping to redefine franchise tagging of "hybrid" type players. They were hoping that it could be translated to DE/OLB, SS/LB, CB/safety, etc. I heard these conversations on both ESPN radio and NFL radio. It wasn't about Graham being paid as a WR. It was about franchise designations and their corresponding amounts.
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01-24-2017, 12:48 PM	#38
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,950 Blog Entries: 1	Re: CSC: If cut, Saints should welcome Jimmy Graham home with open arms Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I do have twitter and I know for a fact that there were no other tweets. You are believing in something that was spread by people that didn't know. You do have access to Google, right? Do a little research instead of listening to people that do not know what they are talking about. Besides that one tweet that I listed and was almost immediately deleted, he was nothing but professional publicly. Edit: and nobody here has posted any other venomous tweets. Saw the tweets posted here with my own eyes dude. So unless it was a fake account, yes, they happened. Maybe he quickly deleted those too, hooray for him. That just means he's smart enough to realize, in hindsight, that he only makes himself look bad with stuff like that. In no way does it make me believe that he didn't mean what he said. Also, consider his behavior before and after our game with the Seahawks this past season. Refusing to speak to the local media. If that happened in a vacuum I might shrug it off. But coupled with the tweets (whether you believe they were real or not) it paints a pretty clear picture. I have come to understand, respect and even occasionally agree with your point of view on certain things over the past few months. However, your steadfast refusal to admit when you're wrong and your tendency to blast people for their assumptions when you yourself can do no more than assume that you're always right smacks of hypocrisy. jnormand, ScottF and 44Champs like this.
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01-24-2017, 03:07 PM	#39
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,761	Re: CSC: If cut, Saints should welcome Jimmy Graham home with open arms Would love to see him and Fleener. Be a tough one to afford though
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Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,633	Re: CSC: If cut, Saints should welcome Jimmy Graham home with open arms I think he would come back in a heartbeat. Most dominant to non-existent in the span of 2 years. He wants to be productive like he was in NO.

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