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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by AsylumGuido At no other point did Graham come close to being "a little beotch." He said very similar things to Jahri Evans and Junior freaking Gallette after they were cut as well. I don't have a twitter ...

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Old 01-24-2017, 10:18 AM   #1
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Re: CSC: If cut, Saints should welcome Jimmy Graham home with open arms

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At no other point did Graham come close to being "a little beotch."
He said very similar things to Jahri Evans and Junior freaking Gallette after they were cut as well. I don't have a twitter account and I despise the very notion of Twitter itself, so I can only relate to you his tweets that others have posted here. I'm sure someone could dig them up.

Perhaps little beotch isn't the proper nomenclature. Big beotch is probably the better description.
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Old 01-24-2017, 11:45 AM   #2
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He said very similar things to Jahri Evans and Junior freaking Gallette after they were cut as well. I don't have a twitter account and I despise the very notion of Twitter itself, so I can only relate to you his tweets that others have posted here. I'm sure someone could dig them up.

Perhaps little beotch isn't the proper nomenclature. Big beotch is probably the better description.
I do have twitter and I know for a fact that there were no other tweets. You are believing in something that was spread by people that didn't know. You do have access to Google, right? Do a little research instead of listening to people that do not know what they are talking about. Besides that one tweet that I listed and was almost immediately deleted, he was nothing but professional publicly.

Edit: and nobody here has posted any other venomous tweets.
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Old 01-24-2017, 12:48 PM   #3
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I do have twitter and I know for a fact that there were no other tweets. You are believing in something that was spread by people that didn't know. You do have access to Google, right? Do a little research instead of listening to people that do not know what they are talking about. Besides that one tweet that I listed and was almost immediately deleted, he was nothing but professional publicly.

Edit: and nobody here has posted any other venomous tweets.
Saw the tweets posted here with my own eyes dude. So unless it was a fake account, yes, they happened. Maybe he quickly deleted those too, hooray for him. That just means he's smart enough to realize, in hindsight, that he only makes himself look bad with stuff like that. In no way does it make me believe that he didn't mean what he said.

Also, consider his behavior before and after our game with the Seahawks this past season. Refusing to speak to the local media. If that happened in a vacuum I might shrug it off. But coupled with the tweets (whether you believe they were real or not) it paints a pretty clear picture.

I have come to understand, respect and even occasionally agree with your point of view on certain things over the past few months. However, your steadfast refusal to admit when you're wrong and your tendency to blast people for their assumptions when you yourself can do no more than assume that you're always right smacks of hypocrisy.
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He said very similar things to Jahri Evans and Junior freaking Gallette after they were cut as well. I don't have a twitter account and I despise the very notion of Twitter itself, so I can only relate to you his tweets that others have posted here. I'm sure someone could dig them up.

Perhaps little beotch isn't the proper nomenclature. Big beotch is probably the better description.
I wouldn't mind having him back, just not for a crazy expensive contract. He has issues staying healthy lately and Brees was a little one dimensional when he was here.

That said, I agree with you. I didn't like how he acted when he left and his social media stuff was kinda annoying. Not as bad as Gallete but still. And he refused to talk to media while he was here for the game this season. Just seems kind of immature.
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I wouldn't mind having him back, just not for a crazy expensive contract. He has issues staying healthy lately and Brees was a little one dimensional when he was here.

That said, I agree with you. I didn't like how he acted when he left and his social media stuff was kinda annoying. Not as bad as Gallete but still. And he refused to talk to media while he was here for the game this season. Just seems kind of immature.
What social media stuff besides that one deleted tweet that I posted? I've heard a few people talking about it, but it never happened. I have always followed Graham on twitter and facebook and he has always been professional online ... other than that one ill thought tweet that he quickly felt better about.
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What social media stuff besides that one deleted tweet that I posted? I've heard a few people talking about it, but it never happened. I have always followed Graham on twitter and facebook and he has always been professional online ... other than that one ill thought tweet that he quickly felt better about.
Ok. Based on that one tweet, the way he went with the paid like a receiver bs (and I don't care if it was NFLPA driven) and how he acted this past season, it IS MY OPINION that he's immature.

And don't tell me how the paid like a receiver thing was NFLPA driven. I don't care. It was a huge distraction and it was annoying. And to take a page out your book, how do you know that? How do you know it wasn't Jimmy pushing and asking for help from the NFLPA?

Point is, I don't mind Jimmy and wouldn't mind having him back at a fair contract. BUT IT IS MY OPINION that Brees was a bit one dementional while he was here as well.
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Ok. Based on that one tweet, the way he went with the paid like a receiver bs (and I don't care if it was NFLPA driven) and how he acted this past season, it IS MY OPINION that he's immature.

And don't tell me how the paid like a receiver thing was NFLPA driven. I don't care. It was a huge distraction and it was annoying. And to take a page out your book, how do you know that? How do you know it wasn't Jimmy pushing and asking for help from the NFLPA?

Point is, I don't mind Jimmy and wouldn't mind having him back at a fair contract. BUT IT IS MY OPINION that Brees was a bit one dementional while he was here as well.
Yes it was one dimensional, but I seriously doubt with the talent we now have at WR that would not be the case. And regardless of what you feel and however much you felt the distraction was, that was all the NFLPA. Not one time, not one single time, did Graham ever say anything on the matter. Not once. The PA let him take the heat, just like they did with Brees, while they pushed their agenda.
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Yes it was one dimensional, but I seriously doubt with the talent we now have at WR that would not be the case. And regardless of what you feel and however much you felt the distraction was, that was all the NFLPA. Not one time, not one single time, did Graham ever say anything on the matter. Not once. The PA let him take the heat, just like they did with Brees, while they pushed their agenda.
That is a good point. Drew does have some other receivers he can trust now. Some that are already verging on greatness. Bring him in on a fair contract plus draft us a stud TE as well. If the OL can keep the pressure off then Drew and all his crew will have an amazing, record breaking year.
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Yes it was one dimensional, but I seriously doubt with the talent we now have at WR that would not be the case. And regardless of what you feel and however much you felt the distraction was, that was all the NFLPA. Not one time, not one single time, did Graham ever say anything on the matter. Not once. The PA let him take the heat, just like they did with Brees, while they pushed their agenda.
How do you know that? Did you talk to the PA? Did you talk to Jimmy? Not one time have I seen that the PA was completely behind it.

See what I'm doing here?

There's two sides to almost everything. Almost everything we know as fans is speculation and opinion.

So that's my opinion on the matter. It has its basis and I think it's logical, as is yours. I'm not hurting Jimmy's feelings. Trust me.
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How do you know that? Did you talk to the PA? Did you talk to Jimmy? Not one time have I seen that the PA was completely behind it.

See what I'm doing here?

There's two sides to almost everything. Almost everything we know as fans is speculation and opinion.

So that's my opinion on the matter. It has its basis and I think it's logical, as is yours. I'm not hurting Jimmy's feelings. Trust me.
I had heard conversations with more than one legal correspondent saying exactly what I am saying. I'm not making it up. I am repeating what I heard. They basically said that the matter was a precedent setting argument and it was not a Graham issue as much as it was the PA hoping to redefine franchise tagging of "hybrid" type players. They were hoping that it could be translated to DE/OLB, SS/LB, CB/safety, etc. I heard these conversations on both ESPN radio and NFL radio.

It wasn't about Graham being paid as a WR. It was about franchise designations and their corresponding amounts.

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