Brandin Cooks Officially Traded to Patriots

frydaddy · 03-11-2017, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Wait...we're going to say Butler isn't that good...but hype up Sterling Moore? No...lol.

I believe the thinking, and I tend to agree with it, is that in our system he would not play as well as Moore did for us.

rezburna · 03-11-2017, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by frydaddy

I believe the thinking, and I tend to agree with it, is that in our system he would not play as well as Moore did for us.

I'd have to disagree with that.

lee909 · 03-11-2017, 06:37 PM

Im not saying Moore is a great CB or even a number 2. But he played well at time last year under alot of pressure.

Butler could be a great CB but look at the players that leave NE. Very rarely do they go on to do better outside the Pats system. Browner and Revis but looked excellent for the Pats and terrible outside the system. I fear that Butler at over 14ml would be a massive bust,Moore would be reasonably priced and wouldn't kil the cap if it went wrng

rezburna · 03-11-2017, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

Im not saying Moore is a great CB or even a number 2. But he played well at time last year under alot of pressure.

Butler could be a great CB but look at the players that leave NE. Very rarely do they go on to do better outside the Pats system. Browner and Revis but looked excellent for the Pats and terrible outside the system. I fear that Butler at over 14ml would be a massive bust,Moore would be reasonably priced and wouldn't kil the cap if it went wrng

If Butler is going to cost $14 million I have no interest in him. If he's in the $8 million to $10 million range I'm all for it. Aqib Talib was great in the Pats system, and was great after. Revis was great before the Pats system, great there, and just injured after. Browner really wasn't great in the Pats system, they just made it work. But if corners seem to perform better in the Patriots scheme than they do else where....we might need to consider adopting that scheme ourselves.

frydaddy · 03-11-2017, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

Im not saying Moore is a great CB or even a number 2. But he played well at time last year under alot of pressure.

Butler could be a great CB but look at the players that leave NE. Very rarely do they go on to do better outside the Pats system. Browner and Revis but looked excellent for the Pats and terrible outside the system. I fear that Butler at over 14ml would be a massive bust,Moore would be reasonably priced and wouldn't kil the cap if it went wrng

Exactly. Bill is the best in the league when it comes to evaluating and identifying players who fit his system, and he's also the best at knowing when to cut ties. I'm not saying I wouldn't pull for Butler if he ends up here. I'd want him to be an all pro. But I have serious reservations.

lee909 · 03-11-2017, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

If Butler is going to cost $14 million I have no interest in him. If he's in the $8 million to $10 million range I'm all for it. Aqib Talib was great in the Pats system, and was great after. Revis was great before the Pats system, great there, and just injured after. Browner really wasn't great in the Pats system, they just made it work. But if corners seem to perform better in the Patriots scheme than they do else where....we might need to consider adopting that scheme ourselves.

Lots of reports from a few days back that Butler had turned down 14ml a year,though his agent is saying they are not asking for the moon.

He is going to want at least parity with the two big deals this year with his 2nd team All Pro so its going to be at least 12ml

lee909 · 03-11-2017, 06:53 PM

He ranked as the number 2 CB last year so will be asking very big money.

Malcolm Butler, New England Patriots, 86.4
Outside of Talib, there really hasn’t been a corner that has been consistently “shutdown,” but Malcolm Butler has had a fine season, outside of a couple of lapses. Against Miami back in Week 2, he surrendered 157 receiving yards, and he coughed up another 94 against Pittsburgh; beyond those games, he has given up 35 yards or fewer on six of his eight outings, and over the entire season, has allowed just 52.9 percent of passes into his coverage to be caught, despite occasionally being asked to track elite receivers.

The big flag there is occasionally being asked to track elite receivers

frydaddy · 03-11-2017, 06:57 PM

Yeah, and look at the other QB's in that division. Not exactly a murderers row of talent. When Ryan Tannehill is the second best in the division you know somethings up.

triman · 03-11-2017, 07:06 PM

Saints draft Christian Mc Cafferty @ #32 and he gets !600 combined yards and everyone forgets about B.Cooks

frydaddy · 03-11-2017, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by triman

Saints draft Christian Mc Cafferty @ #32 and he gets !600 combined yards and everyone forgets about B.Cooks

If McCaffrey is still there I actually wouldn't be opposed to that. He could potentially have an even bigger impact on our offense than Cooks did.

03-11-2017, 06:34 PM	#211
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,950 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Brandin Cooks Officially Traded to Patriots Originally Posted by rezburna Wait...we're going to say Butler isn't that good...but hype up Sterling Moore? No...lol. I believe the thinking, and I tend to agree with it, is that in our system he would not play as well as Moore did for us.

03-11-2017, 06:36 PM	#212
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: Brandin Cooks Officially Traded to Patriots Originally Posted by frydaddy I believe the thinking, and I tend to agree with it, is that in our system he would not play as well as Moore did for us. I'd have to disagree with that. Utah_Saint likes this.

03-11-2017, 06:37 PM	#213
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,803 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Brandin Cooks Officially Traded to Patriots Im not saying Moore is a great CB or even a number 2. But he played well at time last year under alot of pressure. Butler could be a great CB but look at the players that leave NE. Very rarely do they go on to do better outside the Pats system. Browner and Revis but looked excellent for the Pats and terrible outside the system. I fear that Butler at over 14ml would be a massive bust,Moore would be reasonably priced and wouldn't kil the cap if it went wrng frydaddy and MarchingOn like this.

03-11-2017, 06:40 PM	#214
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: Brandin Cooks Officially Traded to Patriots Originally Posted by lee909 Im not saying Moore is a great CB or even a number 2. But he played well at time last year under alot of pressure. Butler could be a great CB but look at the players that leave NE. Very rarely do they go on to do better outside the Pats system. Browner and Revis but looked excellent for the Pats and terrible outside the system. I fear that Butler at over 14ml would be a massive bust,Moore would be reasonably priced and wouldn't kil the cap if it went wrng If Butler is going to cost $14 million I have no interest in him. If he's in the $8 million to $10 million range I'm all for it. Aqib Talib was great in the Pats system, and was great after. Revis was great before the Pats system, great there, and just injured after. Browner really wasn't great in the Pats system, they just made it work. But if corners seem to perform better in the Patriots scheme than they do else where....we might need to consider adopting that scheme ourselves. brees84 likes this.

03-11-2017, 06:42 PM	#215
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,950 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Brandin Cooks Officially Traded to Patriots Originally Posted by lee909 Im not saying Moore is a great CB or even a number 2. But he played well at time last year under alot of pressure. Butler could be a great CB but look at the players that leave NE. Very rarely do they go on to do better outside the Pats system. Browner and Revis but looked excellent for the Pats and terrible outside the system. I fear that Butler at over 14ml would be a massive bust,Moore would be reasonably priced and wouldn't kil the cap if it went wrng Exactly. Bill is the best in the league when it comes to evaluating and identifying players who fit his system, and he's also the best at knowing when to cut ties. I'm not saying I wouldn't pull for Butler if he ends up here. I'd want him to be an all pro. But I have serious reservations.

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03-11-2017, 06:49 PM	#216
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,803 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Brandin Cooks Officially Traded to Patriots Originally Posted by rezburna If Butler is going to cost $14 million I have no interest in him. If he's in the $8 million to $10 million range I'm all for it. Aqib Talib was great in the Pats system, and was great after. Revis was great before the Pats system, great there, and just injured after. Browner really wasn't great in the Pats system, they just made it work. But if corners seem to perform better in the Patriots scheme than they do else where....we might need to consider adopting that scheme ourselves. Lots of reports from a few days back that Butler had turned down 14ml a year,though his agent is saying they are not asking for the moon. He is going to want at least parity with the two big deals this year with his 2nd team All Pro so its going to be at least 12ml

03-11-2017, 06:53 PM	#217
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,803 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Brandin Cooks Officially Traded to Patriots He ranked as the number 2 CB last year so will be asking very big money. Malcolm Butler, New England Patriots, 86.4 Outside of Talib, there really hasn’t been a corner that has been consistently “shutdown,” but Malcolm Butler has had a fine season, outside of a couple of lapses. Against Miami back in Week 2, he surrendered 157 receiving yards, and he coughed up another 94 against Pittsburgh; beyond those games, he has given up 35 yards or fewer on six of his eight outings, and over the entire season, has allowed just 52.9 percent of passes into his coverage to be caught, despite occasionally being asked to track elite receivers. The big flag there is occasionally being asked to track elite receivers
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03-11-2017, 06:57 PM	#218
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,950 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Brandin Cooks Officially Traded to Patriots Yeah, and look at the other QB's in that division. Not exactly a murderers row of talent. When Ryan Tannehill is the second best in the division you know somethings up.

03-11-2017, 07:06 PM	#219
triman 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 783	Re: Brandin Cooks Officially Traded to Patriots Saints draft Christian Mc Cafferty @ #32 and he gets !600 combined yards and everyone forgets about B.Cooks
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03-11-2017, 07:17 PM	#220
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,950 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Brandin Cooks Officially Traded to Patriots Originally Posted by triman Saints draft Christian Mc Cafferty @ #32 and he gets !600 combined yards and everyone forgets about B.Cooks If McCaffrey is still there I actually wouldn't be opposed to that. He could potentially have an even bigger impact on our offense than Cooks did. brees84 likes this.

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