Brandin Cooks Officially Traded to Patriots

frydaddy · 03-11-2017, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Wait...we're going to say Butler isn't that good...but hype up Sterling Moore? No...lol.

I believe the thinking, and I tend to agree with it, is that in our system he would not play as well as Moore did for us.

rezburna · 03-11-2017, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by frydaddy

I believe the thinking, and I tend to agree with it, is that in our system he would not play as well as Moore did for us.

I'd have to disagree with that.

lee909 · 03-11-2017, 05:37 PM

Im not saying Moore is a great CB or even a number 2. But he played well at time last year under alot of pressure.

Butler could be a great CB but look at the players that leave NE. Very rarely do they go on to do better outside the Pats system. Browner and Revis but looked excellent for the Pats and terrible outside the system. I fear that Butler at over 14ml would be a massive bust,Moore would be reasonably priced and wouldn't kil the cap if it went wrng

rezburna · 03-11-2017, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

Im not saying Moore is a great CB or even a number 2. But he played well at time last year under alot of pressure.

Butler could be a great CB but look at the players that leave NE. Very rarely do they go on to do better outside the Pats system. Browner and Revis but looked excellent for the Pats and terrible outside the system. I fear that Butler at over 14ml would be a massive bust,Moore would be reasonably priced and wouldn't kil the cap if it went wrng

If Butler is going to cost $14 million I have no interest in him. If he's in the $8 million to $10 million range I'm all for it. Aqib Talib was great in the Pats system, and was great after. Revis was great before the Pats system, great there, and just injured after. Browner really wasn't great in the Pats system, they just made it work. But if corners seem to perform better in the Patriots scheme than they do else where....we might need to consider adopting that scheme ourselves.

lee909 · 03-11-2017, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

If Butler is going to cost $14 million I have no interest in him. If he's in the $8 million to $10 million range I'm all for it. Aqib Talib was great in the Pats system, and was great after. Revis was great before the Pats system, great there, and just injured after. Browner really wasn't great in the Pats system, they just made it work. But if corners seem to perform better in the Patriots scheme than they do else where....we might need to consider adopting that scheme ourselves.

Lots of reports from a few days back that Butler had turned down 14ml a year,though his agent is saying they are not asking for the moon.

He is going to want at least parity with the two big deals this year with his 2nd team All Pro so its going to be at least 12ml

frydaddy · 03-11-2017, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

Im not saying Moore is a great CB or even a number 2. But he played well at time last year under alot of pressure.

Butler could be a great CB but look at the players that leave NE. Very rarely do they go on to do better outside the Pats system. Browner and Revis but looked excellent for the Pats and terrible outside the system. I fear that Butler at over 14ml would be a massive bust,Moore would be reasonably priced and wouldn't kil the cap if it went wrng

Exactly. Bill is the best in the league when it comes to evaluating and identifying players who fit his system, and he's also the best at knowing when to cut ties. I'm not saying I wouldn't pull for Butler if he ends up here. I'd want him to be an all pro. But I have serious reservations.

lee909 · 03-11-2017, 05:53 PM

He ranked as the number 2 CB last year so will be asking very big money.

Malcolm Butler, New England Patriots, 86.4
Outside of Talib, there really hasn’t been a corner that has been consistently “shutdown,” but Malcolm Butler has had a fine season, outside of a couple of lapses. Against Miami back in Week 2, he surrendered 157 receiving yards, and he coughed up another 94 against Pittsburgh; beyond those games, he has given up 35 yards or fewer on six of his eight outings, and over the entire season, has allowed just 52.9 percent of passes into his coverage to be caught, despite occasionally being asked to track elite receivers.

The big flag there is occasionally being asked to track elite receivers

frydaddy · 03-11-2017, 05:57 PM

Yeah, and look at the other QB's in that division. Not exactly a murderers row of talent. When Ryan Tannehill is the second best in the division you know somethings up.

ChrisXVI · 03-11-2017, 06:28 PM

Oh my...

Danno · 03-11-2017, 06:33 PM

Per Walter Football...

Patriots acquire WR Brandin Cooks, 4th-rounder from Saints for 1st- and 3rd-round picks

My apologies for being slow with these grades Friday evening. I just got home from a wedding rehearsal dinner (my fiancee's sister is getting married tomorrow), and I'll get to all of the grades shortly.

I have to say that despite it being speculated for days now, I'm still shocked that this deal went through. It's kind of crazy that the Patriots will have Brandin Cooks in their offense. I didn't even think they'd be in the market for a receiver because they had Julian Edelman, Chris Hogan, Malcolm Mitchell and maybe Michael Floyd on the roster (plus Rob Gronkowski), but Bill Belichick apparently thought differently.

It's going to be fun to watch Tom Brady have a new weapon like Cooks. He hasn't had a dynamic, downfield threat like Cooks since Randy Moss. It might be instinctive to point out that Cooks could decline because he won't be playing with Drew Brees anymore, until you remember that he'll now be paired with Brady, and there theoretically shouldn't be a drop-off. The price is a bit steep for my blood, but at least New England didn't have to surrender Malcolm Butler.

I like the move for the Patriots, but I think the Saints are the winners of this deal. Cooks made it known that he didn't want to be on the roster anymore, and the Saints have two strong receivers without him in Michael Thomas and Willie Snead. New Orleans now has two first-round selections in a very deep draft, so they can use those picks to improve their woeful defense.

Grade for Patriots - B+
Grade for Saints - A-

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03-11-2017, 05:34 PM	#1
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,964 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Brandin Cooks Officially Traded to Patriots Originally Posted by rezburna Wait...we're going to say Butler isn't that good...but hype up Sterling Moore? No...lol. I believe the thinking, and I tend to agree with it, is that in our system he would not play as well as Moore did for us.

03-11-2017, 05:36 PM	#2
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,080	Re: Brandin Cooks Officially Traded to Patriots Originally Posted by frydaddy I believe the thinking, and I tend to agree with it, is that in our system he would not play as well as Moore did for us. I'd have to disagree with that.

03-11-2017, 05:37 PM	#3
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Brandin Cooks Officially Traded to Patriots Im not saying Moore is a great CB or even a number 2. But he played well at time last year under alot of pressure. Butler could be a great CB but look at the players that leave NE. Very rarely do they go on to do better outside the Pats system. Browner and Revis but looked excellent for the Pats and terrible outside the system. I fear that Butler at over 14ml would be a massive bust,Moore would be reasonably priced and wouldn't kil the cap if it went wrng

03-11-2017, 05:40 PM	#4
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,080	Re: Brandin Cooks Officially Traded to Patriots Originally Posted by lee909 Im not saying Moore is a great CB or even a number 2. But he played well at time last year under alot of pressure. Butler could be a great CB but look at the players that leave NE. Very rarely do they go on to do better outside the Pats system. Browner and Revis but looked excellent for the Pats and terrible outside the system. I fear that Butler at over 14ml would be a massive bust,Moore would be reasonably priced and wouldn't kil the cap if it went wrng If Butler is going to cost $14 million I have no interest in him. If he's in the $8 million to $10 million range I'm all for it. Aqib Talib was great in the Pats system, and was great after. Revis was great before the Pats system, great there, and just injured after. Browner really wasn't great in the Pats system, they just made it work. But if corners seem to perform better in the Patriots scheme than they do else where....we might need to consider adopting that scheme ourselves.

03-11-2017, 05:49 PM	#5
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Brandin Cooks Officially Traded to Patriots Originally Posted by rezburna If Butler is going to cost $14 million I have no interest in him. If he's in the $8 million to $10 million range I'm all for it. Aqib Talib was great in the Pats system, and was great after. Revis was great before the Pats system, great there, and just injured after. Browner really wasn't great in the Pats system, they just made it work. But if corners seem to perform better in the Patriots scheme than they do else where....we might need to consider adopting that scheme ourselves. Lots of reports from a few days back that Butler had turned down 14ml a year,though his agent is saying they are not asking for the moon. He is going to want at least parity with the two big deals this year with his 2nd team All Pro so its going to be at least 12ml

03-11-2017, 05:42 PM	#6
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,964 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Brandin Cooks Officially Traded to Patriots Originally Posted by lee909 Im not saying Moore is a great CB or even a number 2. But he played well at time last year under alot of pressure. Butler could be a great CB but look at the players that leave NE. Very rarely do they go on to do better outside the Pats system. Browner and Revis but looked excellent for the Pats and terrible outside the system. I fear that Butler at over 14ml would be a massive bust,Moore would be reasonably priced and wouldn't kil the cap if it went wrng Exactly. Bill is the best in the league when it comes to evaluating and identifying players who fit his system, and he's also the best at knowing when to cut ties. I'm not saying I wouldn't pull for Butler if he ends up here. I'd want him to be an all pro. But I have serious reservations.

03-11-2017, 05:53 PM	#7
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Brandin Cooks Officially Traded to Patriots He ranked as the number 2 CB last year so will be asking very big money. Malcolm Butler, New England Patriots, 86.4 Outside of Talib, there really hasn’t been a corner that has been consistently “shutdown,” but Malcolm Butler has had a fine season, outside of a couple of lapses. Against Miami back in Week 2, he surrendered 157 receiving yards, and he coughed up another 94 against Pittsburgh; beyond those games, he has given up 35 yards or fewer on six of his eight outings, and over the entire season, has allowed just 52.9 percent of passes into his coverage to be caught, despite occasionally being asked to track elite receivers. The big flag there is occasionally being asked to track elite receivers
	"Two receivers to the left, Garcon to the right. Manning in the shotgun, puts Collie in motion. Looks in his direction...it's picked off! It's picked off! It's Tracy Porter again! He's runnin' free! He's gonna go all the way!

03-11-2017, 05:57 PM	#8
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,964 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Brandin Cooks Officially Traded to Patriots Yeah, and look at the other QB's in that division. Not exactly a murderers row of talent. When Ryan Tannehill is the second best in the division you know somethings up.

03-11-2017, 06:28 PM	#9
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03-11-2017, 06:33 PM	#10
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Re: Brandin Cooks Officially Traded to Patriots Per Walter Football... Patriots acquire WR Brandin Cooks, 4th-rounder from Saints for 1st- and 3rd-round picks My apologies for being slow with these grades Friday evening. I just got home from a wedding rehearsal dinner (my fiancee's sister is getting married tomorrow), and I'll get to all of the grades shortly. I have to say that despite it being speculated for days now, I'm still shocked that this deal went through. It's kind of crazy that the Patriots will have Brandin Cooks in their offense. I didn't even think they'd be in the market for a receiver because they had Julian Edelman, Chris Hogan, Malcolm Mitchell and maybe Michael Floyd on the roster (plus Rob Gronkowski), but Bill Belichick apparently thought differently. It's going to be fun to watch Tom Brady have a new weapon like Cooks. He hasn't had a dynamic, downfield threat like Cooks since Randy Moss. It might be instinctive to point out that Cooks could decline because he won't be playing with Drew Brees anymore, until you remember that he'll now be paired with Brady, and there theoretically shouldn't be a drop-off. The price is a bit steep for my blood, but at least New England didn't have to surrender Malcolm Butler. I like the move for the Patriots, but I think the Saints are the winners of this deal. Cooks made it known that he didn't want to be on the roster anymore, and the Saints have two strong receivers without him in Michael Thomas and Willie Snead. New Orleans now has two first-round selections in a very deep draft, so they can use those picks to improve their woeful defense. Grade for Patriots - B+ Grade for Saints - A- 2017 NFL Free Agent Grades: WalterFootball.com

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