Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 740832)

I'm really against this Butler trade though I've got the feeling Sean & D.A. have their minds set...

For the life of me, why do you take on Butler if New England is discarding him?

Butler literally made a goal-line, game-winning interception as an unheralded, undrafted rookie free agent...

Two years later, MB was your shutdown cornerback on yet another Superbowl run...

The Pats still saw fit to sign Buffalo's Gilmore and let him walk?

IMHO, New England is much better at defensive talent eval than the Saints.

Why didn't we get into the bidding for Gilmore then if he's better?

And Payton and DA are both on record saying they'd like to have a CB with length for matching up with big receivers in our division.

So why are we adding Butler who's 5' 9-1/2" and 190 lbs wet?

The corner that we've professed we want will be there with pick 32 and you'll have cap friendly numbers for four years with a fifth option.

It's not the ***d*mn corners but the Safety and Pass Rush that's been the problem...

We over commit way too much resources on veterans, backing ourselves up against the wall when we need to rotate in some rookies every year...

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 740823)

They hadn't had the opportunity to meet with Butler yet and had to move quickly on Cooks. They have to have something worked out with Btler in advance. It all make perfect sense.

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 740807)

I know you know better than that. System players are a real thing in this league. You might disagree with the assessment that Butler is one of them, but there are countless examples of guys who can only produce in certain systems.

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 740838)

I'm scratching my head on this one for a number of reasons. Proponents of this deal keep making this claim that "they must have a deal in place", which even if true, is not at all related to my issue with it.

I don't care if they have a deal worked out with Butler. I'm saying what are we giving up to get him. And why exactly do we need him so bad?

Also, why do you say they had to move quickly on Cooks? What's the rush? That doesn't make perfect sense to me. People seem convinced that a deal in place means we won't get fleeced again.

Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 740837)

The art of the Butler deal...

- we sign him we lose our #11 pick.
- The only way around that is to re-work the Cooks deal.
- I think NE and NO realized their mistake with the 4th round pick. So that would give them a chance to correct that gaff. We have to get that pick back and trade it back and get something for it before NE can have it and forfiet it. We may also get it back and keep it altogether.

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 740687)

For you stat geeks, in 2016 Butler was the #3 cover corner by PFF (91.1)

The stat website also listed him as the #4 overall corner (90.4)

That's far from being a "system guy". And if he signs we have the best CB tandem since Porter & Greer.

I'm warming up.