Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday!

QBREES9 · 03-15-2017, 01:08 PM

Still waiting.

saintsfan1976 · 03-15-2017, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Did you check the competition he faced as well?
When it comes to covering the passing game, the NFC South is a very different animal than the AFC East.

I don't believe PFF accounts for DVOA in that particular stat.

burningmetal · 03-15-2017, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Where did I say system players don't exist?

You implied it by saying "Butler is a system cornerback, and that system is known as the NFL".

Is that not suggesting that there are no real system players? I don't see any other way to interpret what you said.

burningmetal · 03-15-2017, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

If they didn't get a deal done on Cooks before this past Monday the Saints would have had to eat his $781K roster bonus. By making the deal before then the Patriots had to take the hit. Perfectly logical.

Don't roster bonuses not count against the cap? If that is correct, that isn't much money to swallow in the NFL, in order to take a little more time on getting a better trade deal worked out.

voodooido · 03-15-2017, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Did you check the competition he faced as well?
When it comes to covering the passing game, the NFC South is a very different animal than the AFC East.

Like Brandon Marshall, Jarvis Landry, Kenny stills, decker, Sammy Watkins, woods, goodwin? Not counting the out of conference like Brown, COOKS and Snead. You point is not valid.

SAINTstunna · 03-15-2017, 02:09 PM

Make this happen. I hope they sign him and just swap the picks back from the Cooks signing. Didn't we swap like a 3rd and 4th with New England ?? I'm not sure. But even if we give up the 32nd pick, It's like we traded Cooks for Butler which I would do all day. . .. Let's Go N.O. !!!!

hagan714 · 03-15-2017, 02:21 PM

swap Cook for browner? short might mouse for yet another short might mouse does not thrill me and swap for cap hits is so one sided i really do not like it. Pats need to give up picks to suck up such a huge cap hit. But another CB under 5'10" ?

We needed to sign a pats S to make this work. Pats run a single high safety look that always rolls coverage to the best WR on the field. We do not have that FS to do this.

If this draft was not so deep on CB I might have a different feeling. At this point I would let him walk and keep the picks.

K Major · 03-15-2017, 02:34 PM

The size thing for corners at this level are a bit over rated.

Peterson
A.J.Bouye
Chris Harris Jr
Josh Norman
Joe Haden
Malcolm Butler (all he does is makes plays)

All above average corners barely six feet tall.

AsylumGuido · 03-15-2017, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Don't roster bonuses not count against the cap? If that is correct, that isn't much money to swallow in the NFL, in order to take a little more time on getting a better trade deal worked out.

Roster bonuses absolutely count against the cap. And how do we not know that they hadn't already been hashing over a separate trade concerning Butler? Payton could have coerced the Pats do do the first trade right away so we wouldn't have the cap hit, while agreeing, in principle, to follow through with a deal to take Butler off their hands AFTER negotiating a with him.

That doesn't sound like the Saints got fleeced at all. If that's how it goes down then it sounds like pretty shrewd moves by Payton. Of course, that also has Loomis written all over it. He knows how to manipulate the cap better than most in the league.

hagan714 · 03-15-2017, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

The size thing for corners at this level are a bit over rated.

Peterson
A.J.Bouye
Chris Harris Jr
Josh Norman
Joe Haden
Malcolm Butler (all he does is makes plays)

All above average corners barely six feet tall.

He is not in this league. But he will be looking for this kind of money and the pats know it. That is why they signed Gilmore and are trying to get all they can for Bulter. Typical pats move. take the picks and walk away

height is an issue in the NFC south

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,037 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Did you check the competition he faced as well? When it comes to covering the passing game, the NFC South is a very different animal than the AFC East. I don't believe PFF accounts for DVOA in that particular stat.

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burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Where did I say system players don't exist? You implied it by saying "Butler is a system cornerback, and that system is known as the NFL". Is that not suggesting that there are no real system players? I don't see any other way to interpret what you said.

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burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Originally Posted by AsylumGuido If they didn't get a deal done on Cooks before this past Monday the Saints would have had to eat his $781K roster bonus. By making the deal before then the Patriots had to take the hit. Perfectly logical. Don't roster bonuses not count against the cap? If that is correct, that isn't much money to swallow in the NFL, in order to take a little more time on getting a better trade deal worked out.

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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Originally Posted by K Major The size thing for corners at this level are a bit over rated. Peterson A.J.Bouye Chris Harris Jr Josh Norman Joe Haden Malcolm Butler (all he does is makes plays) All above average corners barely six feet tall. He is not in this league. But he will be looking for this kind of money and the pats know it. That is why they signed Gilmore and are trying to get all they can for Bulter. Typical pats move. take the picks and walk away height is an issue in the NFC south

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