Saints and filling needs.

saintswhodi · 03-22-2005, 05:48 PM

If they were deleted, how would I have the links?

[Edited on 22/3/2005 by saintswhodi]

baronm · 03-22-2005, 05:54 PM

Haha Gumbo has a fan!

Just teasin\' ya bignic

Man, I take so much heat on here that I really feel sorry for anyone who ever agrees with me.

Go to any other Saints\' board and it\'s not nearly as negative. I\'ve yet to figure that out.

gumbo you take heat cuz you think like the saints organization...brooks can do know wrong and our linebackers don\'t need upgrading....pass..

Danno · 03-22-2005, 06:00 PM

If they were deleted, how would I have the links?

I was referring to the websites, not the negative posts.

turbo_dog · 03-22-2005, 06:04 PM

still no linebackers and aparrently no plans to get a quality linebacker.

Quite the opposite..They were trying to get Dat, and if Howard doesn\'t net us a LB, The Draft will..

Oh really? So we should be able to get a quality starter in the draft? Hope we have some good scouting and talent evaluation this year.

FrenzyFan · 03-22-2005, 06:12 PM

ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“Maybe I\'m a sucker, but I\'ve bought into the Haslett plan for this year. I think even if we don\'t pick up anyone else that we have a defense that WILL get us to the playoffs.ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬?

ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“I posted this thread because a lot of media outlets have implied that our secondary is one of the worst in the league. I don\'t see it like that. I don\'t think they\'re great by any stretch of the imagination, but I don\'t think they are terrible either.ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬?

- Posted to this board in May of 2004. It sounds very familiar to me... same old song.

BlackandBlue · 03-22-2005, 06:15 PM

I was referring to the websites, not the negative posts.

As much as proving a point is important to me, I\'m going to pass on this one. I\'d be bringing others in on something that they had nothing to do with, and they don\'t need nor deserve the headache.

So since I can\'t point to a particular website, print out my previous post, and use it for toilet paper, cause that\'s about all it\'s worth.

bignic26 · 03-22-2005, 07:17 PM

BlackandBlue you\'re a standup guy and you\'ve paid your dues on this site. Alot of you guys have paid your dues and I\'m alittle embarassed that I\'m just now joing the fun. Where have you guys been all this time? Rarely have I been able to have an intelligent conversation in this town about the most important thing in the world, Saints football.

I feel like I\'ve found a home here and overall I\'ve felt very welcome. I\'m sure you guys have seen em come and seen em go. I bet alot of punks came in here and tried to act like they own the site. I bet ya\'ll have seen alot of know it alls come in here and act like they\'re John Clayton or Mel Kiper. I\'m sure ya\'ll have had a few clowns come in here and try to be a funny man and post stupid stuff just to do it. Ya\'ll have probably had a few losers come in here, act like they have a secret inside sources with the Saints and try to start silly rumors.

My point is that I\'m not one of those guys. I don\'t have any sources, all of my info comes from the internet, magazines, or what I\'ve heard from someone reliable. I\'ll tell ya\'ll the facts I know and I\'ll express my opinions on subjects, no more, no less. But I want all of you guys to know that just because I\'m the new guy doesn\'t mean I\'m clueless. Not to toot my own horn but I\'m a bit of a football guru. I win my league\'s fantasy crown every year, I\'ve kept up with the draft like it\'s my religion since \'96, and I\'m a Saints fan till I die. I take the Saints very seriously and I take this site very seriously. Some people may come here and then just fade away, well you better get used to Big Nic, cause I ain\'t goin nowhere!

Savant · 03-22-2005, 08:13 PM

Personally, I think the saints moves in the offseason would be good for a team that made it past aleast the first round of the playoffs...not an 8-8 team. Don\'t get it twisted, I really like the additions(espiecally Smith), but the Saints are still doing this \"minor improvements will put us over the hump\" year after year. I think this is Hasletts main problem. He believes in his guys, but he needs to be realistic. Plus, he\'s lucky as hell that he\'s still gotta job. You\'d think that would put more of a fire under his ass. But, then again free-agency isn\'t over yet. I might wind up eating these words. But as a loyal fan, i\'d be more than happy to. I pray to god that makes some major moves in the draft, and that the team as a whole will not accept another mediocer season.

baronm · 03-22-2005, 09:04 PM

Personally, I think the saints moves in the offseason would be good for a team that made it past aleast the first round of the playoffs...not an 8-8 team. Don\'t get it twisted, I really like the additions(espiecally Smith), but the Saints are still doing this \"minor improvements will put us over the hump\" year after year. I think this is Hasletts main problem. He believes in his guys, but he needs to be realistic. Plus, he\'s lucky as hell that he\'s still gotta job. You\'d think that would put more of a fire under his ass. But, then again free-agency isn\'t over yet. I might wind up eating these words. But as a loyal fan, i\'d be more than happy to. I pray to god that makes some major moves in the draft, and that the team as a whole will not accept another mediocer season.

agreed..we have a slew of guys that need to fish or cut bait....personally, I\'d like to see allen moved to a backup and hodge and knight gone. Ambrose gone, and then some others...but oh well.

WhoDat · 03-23-2005, 09:32 AM

Last year AT THIS POINT our starting secondary consisted of:

1. Ashley Abrose
2. Fred Thomas
3. Tebucky Jones

This year our starting secondary consists of:

1. Mike McKenzie.
2. Fakir Brown
3. Dwight Smith.

Hell, that\'s an ALL-STAR backfield compared to what we had. Let\'s give the Saints some credit here ... Don\'t you think?

Now, I don\'t know about you, WhoDat, but, Mike McKenzie and Dwight Smith can start on my team any day of the week. And Fakir ain\'t too shabby either.

At defensive end we\'ve got Will Smith and Charles Grant. WOW! What a pair of studs?!

What does that leave, WhoDat. I\'ll be happy if we get ONE linebacker who is a play-maker.

What did you realistically expect?

Three linebackers, an offensive tackle, defensive tackle, and a free-safety?

Yeah, sure there are a couple of holes that need to be filled. But isn\'t the Darren Howard trade still on the table. And don\'t we still have the draft to go?

How, \'bout we let this thing run it\'s course before we write the team off?

Listen Bill, let\'s put this in perspective, shall we.

Two years ago, for example, our defensive backfield consisted of Sammy Knight, Jay Bellamy, Dale Carter, and Fred Thomas. Did you or did you not tell us all the last two years that Tebucky Jones would be a big upgrade and make up for Knight\'s lack of speed? And didn\'t you tell us that Ambrose, the crafty vet, would help out as a starter or in Nickel? And didn\'t you tell us that Craft would make a difference? And didn\'t you say that you held some hope for Craver to step up?

See, the point is that EVERY YEAR you tell us how THIS YEAR the team really did get better. But if the team is improving EVERY OFFSEASON, why are the results always the same?

Yes, I will agree that our team looks good on paper. But the team always looks good on paper - minus glaring holes at LB and DT. You say give them the benefit of the doubt?!?! Why? They\'ve done nothing in the last four years to earn that benefit. I gave it to them in 2001 and again in 2002. Now they don\'t deserve it. You tell me to let things run their course before I write them off??? Why don\'t you make them prove it for once, instead of believing blindly once again that this year is really the year?

03-22-2005, 05:48 PM	#21
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03-22-2005, 05:54 PM	#22
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	Saints and filling needs. Haha Gumbo has a fan! Just teasin\' ya bignic Man, I take so much heat on here that I really feel sorry for anyone who ever agrees with me. Go to any other Saints\' board and it\'s not nearly as negative. I\'ve yet to figure that out. gumbo you take heat cuz you think like the saints organization...brooks can do know wrong and our linebackers don\'t need upgrading....pass..
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03-22-2005, 06:00 PM	#23
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Saints and filling needs. If they were deleted, how would I have the links? I was referring to the websites, not the negative posts.

03-22-2005, 06:04 PM	#24
turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,592	Saints and filling needs. still no linebackers and aparrently no plans to get a quality linebacker. Quite the opposite..They were trying to get Dat, and if Howard doesn\'t net us a LB, The Draft will.. Oh really? So we should be able to get a quality starter in the draft? Hope we have some good scouting and talent evaluation this year.

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03-22-2005, 06:15 PM	#26
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Saints and filling needs. I was referring to the websites, not the negative posts. As much as proving a point is important to me, I\'m going to pass on this one. I\'d be bringing others in on something that they had nothing to do with, and they don\'t need nor deserve the headache. So since I can\'t point to a particular website, print out my previous post, and use it for toilet paper, cause that\'s about all it\'s worth.

03-22-2005, 07:17 PM	#27
bignic26 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 122	Saints and filling needs. BlackandBlue you\'re a standup guy and you\'ve paid your dues on this site. Alot of you guys have paid your dues and I\'m alittle embarassed that I\'m just now joing the fun. Where have you guys been all this time? Rarely have I been able to have an intelligent conversation in this town about the most important thing in the world, Saints football. I feel like I\'ve found a home here and overall I\'ve felt very welcome. I\'m sure you guys have seen em come and seen em go. I bet alot of punks came in here and tried to act like they own the site. I bet ya\'ll have seen alot of know it alls come in here and act like they\'re John Clayton or Mel Kiper. I\'m sure ya\'ll have had a few clowns come in here and try to be a funny man and post stupid stuff just to do it. Ya\'ll have probably had a few losers come in here, act like they have a secret inside sources with the Saints and try to start silly rumors. My point is that I\'m not one of those guys. I don\'t have any sources, all of my info comes from the internet, magazines, or what I\'ve heard from someone reliable. I\'ll tell ya\'ll the facts I know and I\'ll express my opinions on subjects, no more, no less. But I want all of you guys to know that just because I\'m the new guy doesn\'t mean I\'m clueless. Not to toot my own horn but I\'m a bit of a football guru. I win my league\'s fantasy crown every year, I\'ve kept up with the draft like it\'s my religion since \'96, and I\'m a Saints fan till I die. I take the Saints very seriously and I take this site very seriously. Some people may come here and then just fade away, well you better get used to Big Nic, cause I ain\'t goin nowhere!
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03-22-2005, 08:13 PM	#28
Savant 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 275	Saints and filling needs. Personally, I think the saints moves in the offseason would be good for a team that made it past aleast the first round of the playoffs...not an 8-8 team. Don\'t get it twisted, I really like the additions(espiecally Smith), but the Saints are still doing this \"minor improvements will put us over the hump\" year after year. I think this is Hasletts main problem. He believes in his guys, but he needs to be realistic. Plus, he\'s lucky as hell that he\'s still gotta job. You\'d think that would put more of a fire under his ass. But, then again free-agency isn\'t over yet. I might wind up eating these words. But as a loyal fan, i\'d be more than happy to. I pray to god that makes some major moves in the draft, and that the team as a whole will not accept another mediocer season.
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03-22-2005, 09:04 PM	#29
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	Saints and filling needs. Personally, I think the saints moves in the offseason would be good for a team that made it past aleast the first round of the playoffs...not an 8-8 team. Don\'t get it twisted, I really like the additions(espiecally Smith), but the Saints are still doing this \"minor improvements will put us over the hump\" year after year. I think this is Hasletts main problem. He believes in his guys, but he needs to be realistic. Plus, he\'s lucky as hell that he\'s still gotta job. You\'d think that would put more of a fire under his ass. But, then again free-agency isn\'t over yet. I might wind up eating these words. But as a loyal fan, i\'d be more than happy to. I pray to god that makes some major moves in the draft, and that the team as a whole will not accept another mediocer season. agreed..we have a slew of guys that need to fish or cut bait....personally, I\'d like to see allen moved to a backup and hodge and knight gone. Ambrose gone, and then some others...but oh well.
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03-23-2005, 09:32 AM	#30
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Saints and filling needs. Last year AT THIS POINT our starting secondary consisted of: 1. Ashley Abrose 2. Fred Thomas 3. Tebucky Jones This year our starting secondary consists of: 1. Mike McKenzie. 2. Fakir Brown 3. Dwight Smith. Hell, that\'s an ALL-STAR backfield compared to what we had. Let\'s give the Saints some credit here ... Don\'t you think? Now, I don\'t know about you, WhoDat, but, Mike McKenzie and Dwight Smith can start on my team any day of the week. And Fakir ain\'t too shabby either. At defensive end we\'ve got Will Smith and Charles Grant. WOW! What a pair of studs?! What does that leave, WhoDat. I\'ll be happy if we get ONE linebacker who is a play-maker. What did you realistically expect? Three linebackers, an offensive tackle, defensive tackle, and a free-safety? Yeah, sure there are a couple of holes that need to be filled. But isn\'t the Darren Howard trade still on the table. And don\'t we still have the draft to go? How, \'bout we let this thing run it\'s course before we write the team off? Listen Bill, let\'s put this in perspective, shall we. Two years ago, for example, our defensive backfield consisted of Sammy Knight, Jay Bellamy, Dale Carter, and Fred Thomas. Did you or did you not tell us all the last two years that Tebucky Jones would be a big upgrade and make up for Knight\'s lack of speed? And didn\'t you tell us that Ambrose, the crafty vet, would help out as a starter or in Nickel? And didn\'t you tell us that Craft would make a difference? And didn\'t you say that you held some hope for Craver to step up? See, the point is that EVERY YEAR you tell us how THIS YEAR the team really did get better. But if the team is improving EVERY OFFSEASON, why are the results always the same? Yes, I will agree that our team looks good on paper. But the team always looks good on paper - minus glaring holes at LB and DT. You say give them the benefit of the doubt?!?! Why? They\'ve done nothing in the last four years to earn that benefit. I gave it to them in 2001 and again in 2002. Now they don\'t deserve it. You tell me to let things run their course before I write them off??? Why don\'t you make them prove it for once, instead of believing blindly once again that this year is really the year?
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