Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting?

jeanpierre · 03-16-2017, 08:02 AM

The market for cornerbacks has not corrected since the landmark Darrelle Revis deal - last of the true shutdown CBs...

Butler has played extremely well within the Patiots' scheme and is deservedly justified a healthy contract...

But this is the thing - Are we going to commit $13 mil/annum to a proven cornerback, though not a shutdown cornerback?

The premium in this league will always be the quarterback; and once proven, their annual salarys balloon over the $20mil/annum QB Mendoza line...

But is a good CB justified of over $13 mil/annum when the salary cap has to be spread out over 53 players (well top 51)?

Again, keep in mind you don't get shutdown services with that figure.

And also factor you've got big question marks opposite Cam Jordan on the defensive line at weakside DE and outside linebacker.

Not to mention starting Tight End, Free Safety and risky signing at Right Guard...

I'd rather have more chances in the draft and select younger, faster, stronger players for my defense...

rezburna · 03-15-2017, 07:06 PM

Like he said, he gets that head around and attacks the ball.

halloween 65 · 03-15-2017, 07:54 PM

About the 2nd or 3rd time he gets burned without S help over the top some people on here will be singing a different tune. He is not a shutdown CB, but he is better than what we have on the current roster as of now. Money may be a huge issue for a good player but if anyone on here thinks he's a shutdown corner, don't, S help will be the key on #1 wideouts.

rezburna · 03-15-2017, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

About the 2nd or 3rd time he gets burned without S help over the top some people on here will be singing a different tune. He is not a shutdown CB, but he is better than what we have on the current roster as of now. Money may be a huge issue for a good player but if anyone on here thinks he's a shutdown corner, don't, S help will be the key on #1 wideouts.

Which NFL cornerback is shutting down the top WR's 1 on 1? Who's the shut down corner in the NFL? It just doesn't exist. Trust me, I had my reservations about Butler in the beginning, but we have to get better. He makes us better.

nola_swammi · 03-15-2017, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Which NFL cornerback is shutting down the top WR's 1 on 1? Who's the shut down corner in the NFL? It just doesn't exist. Trust me, I had my reservations about Butler in the beginning, but we have to get better. He makes us better.

Aquib Talib, Ramsey, Xavier Rhodes

rezburna · 03-15-2017, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

Aquib Talib, Ramsey, Xavier Rhodes

Who did Xavier Rhodes shut down? Look at the Vikings schedule. Jordy Nelson shredded the Vikings, meaning he shredded Rhodes because Rhodes follows the #1 receiver.

Jalen Ramsey gave up around 800 yards this year on 14 yards a catch. He got better as the season went on, but he wasn't what I'd call shut down.

Aqib Talib was great, but he's not shutting down Julio Jones either.

Nobody is shutting down the top WR's consistently.

nola_swammi · 03-15-2017, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Who did Xavier Rhodes shut down? Look at the Vikings schedule. Jordy Nelson shredded the Vikings, meaning he shredded Rhodes because Rhodes follows the #1 receiver.

Jalen Ramsey gave up around 800 yards this year on 14 yards a catch. He got better as the season went on, but he wasn't what I'd call shut down.

Aqib Talib was great, but he's not shutting down Julio Jones either.

Nobody is shutting down the top WR's consistently.

Jordy Nelson was injured, type the to secondary of 2016. A rookie, Ramsey I practically can't think of wr scoring on that kid

Of course Julio going to get his catches like all wr wil, but when it come to prevent a score or a 3rd and long 1st, I don't see Malcolm as being reliable

voodooido · 03-15-2017, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

Aquib Talib, Ramsey, Xavier Rhodes

You don't even know the top man cbs. These 3 are not on the level of butler. Not even close. I would say butler is just as good as Sherman and Norman. A step down from Peterson but who isn't????

aquaboogie · 03-15-2017, 10:13 PM

Whatever it takes to improve the secondary. He is not Deion Sanders, but would be our best CB. With the current rules favoring the offense, every DB is going to get beat. I'm interested in who is going to play Free Safety. That is an obvious need right now.

FinSaint · 03-16-2017, 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by voodooido

You don't even know the top man cbs. These 3 are not on the level of butler. Not even close. I would say butler is just as good as Sherman and Norman. A step down from Peterson but who isn't????

Rhodes is top tier talent-wise, but he's had a lot of nagging injuries these past seasons.

I would certainly trade the 32nd 1st rounder for Rhodes in a heartbeat. Not so sure about Butler, since I don't really watch the Patriots play.

03-16-2017, 08:02 AM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting? The market for cornerbacks has not corrected since the landmark Darrelle Revis deal - last of the true shutdown CBs... Butler has played extremely well within the Patiots' scheme and is deservedly justified a healthy contract... But this is the thing - Are we going to commit $13 mil/annum to a proven cornerback, though not a shutdown cornerback? The premium in this league will always be the quarterback; and once proven, their annual salarys balloon over the $20mil/annum QB Mendoza line... But is a good CB justified of over $13 mil/annum when the salary cap has to be spread out over 53 players (well top 51)? Again, keep in mind you don't get shutdown services with that figure. And also factor you've got big question marks opposite Cam Jordan on the defensive line at weakside DE and outside linebacker. Not to mention starting Tight End, Free Safety and risky signing at Right Guard... I'd rather have more chances in the draft and select younger, faster, stronger players for my defense...
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03-15-2017, 07:06 PM	#2
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,120	Re: Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting? Like he said, he gets that head around and attacks the ball.

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting? About the 2nd or 3rd time he gets burned without S help over the top some people on here will be singing a different tune. He is not a shutdown CB, but he is better than what we have on the current roster as of now. Money may be a huge issue for a good player but if anyone on here thinks he's a shutdown corner, don't, S help will be the key on #1 wideouts. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,120	Re: Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting? Originally Posted by halloween 65 About the 2nd or 3rd time he gets burned without S help over the top some people on here will be singing a different tune. He is not a shutdown CB, but he is better than what we have on the current roster as of now. Money may be a huge issue for a good player but if anyone on here thinks he's a shutdown corner, don't, S help will be the key on #1 wideouts. Which NFL cornerback is shutting down the top WR's 1 on 1? Who's the shut down corner in the NFL? It just doesn't exist. Trust me, I had my reservations about Butler in the beginning, but we have to get better. He makes us better. RockyMountainSaint, papz, AsylumGuido and 2 others like this.

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nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting? Originally Posted by rezburna Which NFL cornerback is shutting down the top WR's 1 on 1? Who's the shut down corner in the NFL? It just doesn't exist. Trust me, I had my reservations about Butler in the beginning, but we have to get better. He makes us better. Aquib Talib, Ramsey, Xavier Rhodes

03-15-2017, 08:35 PM	#6
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,120	Re: Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting? Originally Posted by nola_swammi Aquib Talib, Ramsey, Xavier Rhodes Who did Xavier Rhodes shut down? Look at the Vikings schedule. Jordy Nelson shredded the Vikings, meaning he shredded Rhodes because Rhodes follows the #1 receiver. Jalen Ramsey gave up around 800 yards this year on 14 yards a catch. He got better as the season went on, but he wasn't what I'd call shut down. Aqib Talib was great, but he's not shutting down Julio Jones either. Nobody is shutting down the top WR's consistently. AsylumGuido likes this.

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nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting? Originally Posted by rezburna Who did Xavier Rhodes shut down? Look at the Vikings schedule. Jordy Nelson shredded the Vikings, meaning he shredded Rhodes because Rhodes follows the #1 receiver. Jalen Ramsey gave up around 800 yards this year on 14 yards a catch. He got better as the season went on, but he wasn't what I'd call shut down. Aqib Talib was great, but he's not shutting down Julio Jones either. Nobody is shutting down the top WR's consistently. Jordy Nelson was injured, type the to secondary of 2016. A rookie, Ramsey I practically can't think of wr scoring on that kid Of course Julio going to get his catches like all wr wil, but when it come to prevent a score or a 3rd and long 1st, I don't see Malcolm as being reliable

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voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,844	Re: Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting? Originally Posted by nola_swammi Aquib Talib, Ramsey, Xavier Rhodes You don't even know the top man cbs. These 3 are not on the level of butler. Not even close. I would say butler is just as good as Sherman and Norman. A step down from Peterson but who isn't????
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FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting? Originally Posted by voodooido You don't even know the top man cbs. These 3 are not on the level of butler. Not even close. I would say butler is just as good as Sherman and Norman. A step down from Peterson but who isn't???? Rhodes is top tier talent-wise, but he's had a lot of nagging injuries these past seasons. I would certainly trade the 32nd 1st rounder for Rhodes in a heartbeat. Not so sure about Butler, since I don't really watch the Patriots play.

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