Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting?

03-15-2017, 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

And that's the problem. He should have scouts to evaluate. Stop going after the popular cause most of them with good agents will have them on papa john commercials

No, the point I was making is that Payton and his new personnel crew deal with the talent evaluations and acquisition. Not Loomis.

hagan714 · 03-15-2017, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Hagan, my friend. What supposed money is he demanding? His agent just came out a couple of days ago saying they haven't spoken to the Patriots at all since the end of the season. He said all claims money are all speculation by the press.

When are you ever going to stop believing every bit of bull crap media hype that you read?

he is saying "not since the end of this season" that's 2017. But they were talking contracts all of the 2016 season. So do not believe an agent so quickly. Agents are sleazy political sales men and nothing more. If he was reasonable the pats would have already signed him. They have plenty of cash to spend still in FA.

nola_swammi · 03-15-2017, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Malcolm Butler proves NFL scouting combine not only path to stardom

"It was Josh Boyer, the Patriots' defensive back coach. He could offer Butler a tryout the next weekend in Foxborough. The Patriots would fly Butler to New England, but Butler would have to sign a waiver in order to participate.
'I don't think he was even off the plane and on the ground for half an hour before they had him run the 40. And he ran a 4.4, and they called and said they were going to keep him,' Simpson said."

I wouldn't trust no patriots staff when their trying to trade him. You are correct, sorry but I do like to see proof. I can not possibly see ANYONE improving their time by 2 tenth of a second in that short amount of time. If he did he need to be tested. STILL WITH THIS MANY OF TALENTED DBS IN THIS DRAFT I would chance it on a pick instead of a high price scheme player

jlouhill · 03-15-2017, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

I wouldn't trust no patriots staff when their trying to trade him. You are correct, sorry but I do like to see proof. I can not possibly see ANYONE improving their time by 2 tenth of a second in that short amount of time. If he did he need to be tested. STILL WITH THIS MANY OF TALENTED DBS IN THIS DRAFT I would chance it on a pick instead of a high price scheme player

You asked for the link. Now you don't believe it? They weren't trying to trade him when they brought him in for a look see.

nola_swammi · 03-15-2017, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

No, the point I was making is that Payton and his new personnel crew deal with the talent evaluations and acquisition. Not Loomis.

i thought Ireland was Loomis choice. I believe I heard last year that Payton had a problem with Loomis cause he wasn't that devoted to the team (believing too much time was being spent on the Pelicans) if I can find the evidence I'll post

nola_swammi · 03-15-2017, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by jlouhill

You asked for the link. Now you don't believe it? They weren't trying to trade him when they brought him in for a look see.

I said was sorry, I seen it therefore I believe you. I just don't feel the time was accurate. Tape show that he played with help over the top. I still don't believe he is a match for our defensive scheme

voodooido · 03-15-2017, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

Aquib Talib, Ramsey, Xavier Rhodes

You don't even know the top man cbs. These 3 are not on the level of butler. Not even close. I would say butler is just as good as Sherman and Norman. A step down from Peterson but who isn't????

aquaboogie · 03-15-2017, 11:13 PM

Whatever it takes to improve the secondary. He is not Deion Sanders, but would be our best CB. With the current rules favoring the offense, every DB is going to get beat. I'm interested in who is going to play Free Safety. That is an obvious need right now.

K Major · 03-15-2017, 11:20 PM

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jlouhill · 03-15-2017, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

I said was sorry, I seen it therefore I believe you. I just don't feel the time was accurate. Tape show that he played with help over the top. I still don't believe he is a match for our defensive scheme

Well he can't be any worse than what we've got. As long as we don't overpay for him. I feel he would be an upgrade but we actually won't know unless we sign him. Hopefully, like I said, it's at the right price.

03-15-2017, 09:56 PM	#21
Threaded by AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,222 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by nola_swammi And that's the problem. He should have scouts to evaluate. Stop going after the popular cause most of them with good agents will have them on papa john commercials No, the point I was making is that Payton and his new personnel crew deal with the talent evaluations and acquisition. Not Loomis.
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03-15-2017, 10:00 PM	#22
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Hagan, my friend. What supposed money is he demanding? His agent just came out a couple of days ago saying they haven't spoken to the Patriots at all since the end of the season. He said all claims money are all speculation by the press. When are you ever going to stop believing every bit of bull crap media hype that you read? he is saying "not since the end of this season" that's 2017. But they were talking contracts all of the 2016 season. So do not believe an agent so quickly. Agents are sleazy political sales men and nothing more. If he was reasonable the pats would have already signed him. They have plenty of cash to spend still in FA. Sarik likes this.

03-15-2017, 10:02 PM	#23
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting? Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Malcolm Butler proves NFL scouting combine not only path to stardom "It was Josh Boyer, the Patriots' defensive back coach. He could offer Butler a tryout the next weekend in Foxborough. The Patriots would fly Butler to New England, but Butler would have to sign a waiver in order to participate. 'I don't think he was even off the plane and on the ground for half an hour before they had him run the 40. And he ran a 4.4, and they called and said they were going to keep him,' Simpson said." I wouldn't trust no patriots staff when their trying to trade him. You are correct, sorry but I do like to see proof. I can not possibly see ANYONE improving their time by 2 tenth of a second in that short amount of time. If he did he need to be tested. STILL WITH THIS MANY OF TALENTED DBS IN THIS DRAFT I would chance it on a pick instead of a high price scheme player

03-15-2017, 10:07 PM	#24
jlouhill 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Denton, Tx. Posts: 692	Re: Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting? Originally Posted by nola_swammi I wouldn't trust no patriots staff when their trying to trade him. You are correct, sorry but I do like to see proof. I can not possibly see ANYONE improving their time by 2 tenth of a second in that short amount of time. If he did he need to be tested. STILL WITH THIS MANY OF TALENTED DBS IN THIS DRAFT I would chance it on a pick instead of a high price scheme player You asked for the link. Now you don't believe it? They weren't trying to trade him when they brought him in for a look see.

03-15-2017, 10:08 PM	#25
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido No, the point I was making is that Payton and his new personnel crew deal with the talent evaluations and acquisition. Not Loomis. i thought Ireland was Loomis choice. I believe I heard last year that Payton had a problem with Loomis cause he wasn't that devoted to the team (believing too much time was being spent on the Pelicans) if I can find the evidence I'll post

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03-15-2017, 10:13 PM	#26
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting? Originally Posted by jlouhill You asked for the link. Now you don't believe it? They weren't trying to trade him when they brought him in for a look see. I said was sorry, I seen it therefore I believe you. I just don't feel the time was accurate. Tape show that he played with help over the top. I still don't believe he is a match for our defensive scheme

03-15-2017, 10:18 PM	#27
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,766	Re: Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting? Originally Posted by nola_swammi Aquib Talib, Ramsey, Xavier Rhodes You don't even know the top man cbs. These 3 are not on the level of butler. Not even close. I would say butler is just as good as Sherman and Norman. A step down from Peterson but who isn't????
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03-15-2017, 11:13 PM	#28
aquaboogie 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 196	Re: Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting? Whatever it takes to improve the secondary. He is not Deion Sanders, but would be our best CB. With the current rules favoring the offense, every DB is going to get beat. I'm interested in who is going to play Free Safety. That is an obvious need right now.
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jlouhill 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Denton, Tx. Posts: 692	Re: Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting? Originally Posted by nola_swammi I said was sorry, I seen it therefore I believe you. I just don't feel the time was accurate. Tape show that he played with help over the top. I still don't believe he is a match for our defensive scheme Well he can't be any worse than what we've got. As long as we don't overpay for him. I feel he would be an upgrade but we actually won't know unless we sign him. Hopefully, like I said, it's at the right price.

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