Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting?

AsylumGuido · 03-15-2017, 05:13 PM

Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting?

Very good article with supporting video. Watch how Butler keeps his eye on the ball while staying in ideal position throughout routes. That isn't something a scheme player can do successfully as often as he does.

voodooido · 03-15-2017, 05:17 PM

Really want this trade to go through. I would even be willing to give our rd 2 if they throw in our 4th from the cooks trade. We need a shutdown cb

triman · 03-15-2017, 06:16 PM

Butler would be a great upgrade. Worth a 2nd rd pick.
Plenty of CBs to be had in rd. three

jnormand · 03-15-2017, 06:22 PM

Yeah I'd trade a 2nd rounder for him. But the Pats have a 1st round tender on him. And I don't think he's worth a first rounder.

AsylumGuido · 03-15-2017, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Yeah I'd trade a 2nd rounder for him. But the Pats have a 1st round tender on him. And I don't think he's worth a first rounder.

Have you seen the scenario I have posted about that? He has the tender and it only takes affect if he DOESN'T sign it. He can agree to terms with the Saints without finalizing, and then sign the tender. That means the Pats can trade him with the 1st rounder not in play.

hagan714 · 03-15-2017, 06:33 PM

He is not worth the money he seeking. he is not a #1 CB. this is the key point. He is best in the slot but his lack of tackling skills forces him to the outside more than the pats want. pats know it and i hope we do to. This is why the pats are moving on from him. 3rd round tops and that is still a maybe in my book. Better players have been traded for less because of the contract baggage they bring with them.

A dose of reality in these contract negotiation are needed .

Pats are banking on desperation and it will drive us to make a huge mistake. Over pay him and throw a high pick in to boot.

Draft is to deep and the defense needs way too many upgrades to justify this kind of desperation.

Living in NE I just do not see the value in all the years I have watched him play. couple big plays does not cover up the over sell that is going on here.

AsylumGuido · 03-15-2017, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

He is not worth the money he seeking. he is not a #1 CB. this is the key point. He is best in the slot but his lack of tackling skills forces him to the outside more than the pats want. pats know it and i hope we do to. This is why the pats are moving on from him. 3rd round tops and that is still a maybe in my book. Better players have been traded for less because of the contract baggage they bring with them.

A dose of reality in these contract negotiation are needed .

Pats are banking on desperation and it will drive us to make a huge mistake. Over pay him and throw a high pick in to boot.

Draft is to deep and the defense needs way too many upgrades to justify this kind of desperation.

Living in NE I just do not see the value in all the years I have watched him play. couple big plays does not cover up the over sell that is going on here.

Hagan, my friend. What supposed money is he demanding? His agent just came out a couple of days ago saying they haven't spoken to the Patriots at all since the end of the season. He said all claims money are all speculation by the press.

When are you ever going to stop believing every bit of bull crap media hype that you read?

hagan714 · 03-15-2017, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Hagan, my friend. What supposed money is he demanding? His agent just came out a couple of days ago saying they haven't spoken to the Patriots at all since the end of the season. He said all claims money are all speculation by the press.

When are you ever going to stop believing every bit of bull crap media hype that you read?

he is saying "not since the end of this season" that's 2017. But they were talking contracts all of the 2016 season. So do not believe an agent so quickly. Agents are sleazy political sales men and nothing more. If he was reasonable the pats would have already signed him. They have plenty of cash to spend still in FA.

AsylumGuido · 03-16-2017, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

he is saying "not since the end of this season" that's 2017. But they were talking contracts all of the 2016 season. So do not believe an agent so quickly. Agents are sleazy political sales men and nothing more. If he was reasonable the pats would have already signed him. They have plenty of cash to spend still in FA.

Actually, his agent said nothing has been discussed about contracts since LAST year.

“The Patriots haven’t approached Malcolm about his contract since last year, and anything that says he keeps asking for the moon is completely false,” Simpson said, via Mike Reiss of ESPN.com.

hagan714 · 03-16-2017, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Actually, his agent said nothing has been discussed about contracts since LAST year.

just what i said last year meaning 2016. they talked and the pats did not think he was worth it and walked away. Butler has not budged. The pats will not let him go for chump change. they know his name is worth money. So they tagged him.

They will let him play at just under 4 million in 2017. They will let him walk in 2018 as a UFA and take whatever comp pick they can get. if his agent does not lower his demands in 2017 . The pats will not be spending big bucks next year. The gilmore signing and other moves show this is a year were the pats are going to try for another super bowl run before Tom leaves the game for good.

This is the patriot way of doing business. No player will strong arm them in contract talks.

Read this and you will get a good picture of The Patriot Way

Malcolm Butler Just Another 'Non-Essential' Patriots Employee

Malcolm Butler Just Another 'Non-Essential' Patriots Employee - Obnoxious Boston Fan - Boston.com

$3.91 million

Read more at: Malcolm Butler Receives First-Round Tender From Patriots As Free Agent | New England Patriots | NESN.com

03-15-2017, 05:17 PM	#2
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,837	Re: Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting? Really want this trade to go through. I would even be willing to give our rd 2 if they throw in our 4th from the cooks trade. We need a shutdown cb
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03-15-2017, 06:16 PM	#3
triman 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 783	Re: Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting? Butler would be a great upgrade. Worth a 2nd rd pick. Plenty of CBs to be had in rd. three
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03-15-2017, 06:22 PM	#4
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,754	Re: Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting? Yeah I'd trade a 2nd rounder for him. But the Pats have a 1st round tender on him. And I don't think he's worth a first rounder.

03-15-2017, 06:26 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,607	Re: Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting? Originally Posted by jnormand Yeah I'd trade a 2nd rounder for him. But the Pats have a 1st round tender on him. And I don't think he's worth a first rounder. Have you seen the scenario I have posted about that? He has the tender and it only takes affect if he DOESN'T sign it. He can agree to terms with the Saints without finalizing, and then sign the tender. That means the Pats can trade him with the 1st rounder not in play. pherein and ChrisXVI like this.

03-15-2017, 06:33 PM	#6
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting? He is not worth the money he seeking. he is not a #1 CB. this is the key point. He is best in the slot but his lack of tackling skills forces him to the outside more than the pats want. pats know it and i hope we do to. This is why the pats are moving on from him. 3rd round tops and that is still a maybe in my book. Better players have been traded for less because of the contract baggage they bring with them. A dose of reality in these contract negotiation are needed . Pats are banking on desperation and it will drive us to make a huge mistake. Over pay him and throw a high pick in to boot. Draft is to deep and the defense needs way too many upgrades to justify this kind of desperation. Living in NE I just do not see the value in all the years I have watched him play. couple big plays does not cover up the over sell that is going on here. jnormand, MatthewT, xan and 4 others like this.
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03-15-2017, 05:13 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,607	Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting? Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting? Very good article with supporting video. Watch how Butler keeps his eye on the ball while staying in ideal position throughout routes. That isn't something a scheme player can do successfully as often as he does.

03-15-2017, 06:48 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,607	Re: Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting? Originally Posted by hagan714 He is not worth the money he seeking. he is not a #1 CB. this is the key point. He is best in the slot but his lack of tackling skills forces him to the outside more than the pats want. pats know it and i hope we do to. This is why the pats are moving on from him. 3rd round tops and that is still a maybe in my book. Better players have been traded for less because of the contract baggage they bring with them. A dose of reality in these contract negotiation are needed . Pats are banking on desperation and it will drive us to make a huge mistake. Over pay him and throw a high pick in to boot. Draft is to deep and the defense needs way too many upgrades to justify this kind of desperation. Living in NE I just do not see the value in all the years I have watched him play. couple big plays does not cover up the over sell that is going on here. Hagan, my friend. What supposed money is he demanding? His agent just came out a couple of days ago saying they haven't spoken to the Patriots at all since the end of the season. He said all claims money are all speculation by the press. When are you ever going to stop believing every bit of bull crap media hype that you read? K Major likes this.

03-15-2017, 09:00 PM	#8
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Hagan, my friend. What supposed money is he demanding? His agent just came out a couple of days ago saying they haven't spoken to the Patriots at all since the end of the season. He said all claims money are all speculation by the press. When are you ever going to stop believing every bit of bull crap media hype that you read? he is saying "not since the end of this season" that's 2017. But they were talking contracts all of the 2016 season. So do not believe an agent so quickly. Agents are sleazy political sales men and nothing more. If he was reasonable the pats would have already signed him. They have plenty of cash to spend still in FA. Sarik likes this.

03-16-2017, 12:42 AM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,607	Re: Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting? Originally Posted by hagan714 he is saying "not since the end of this season" that's 2017. But they were talking contracts all of the 2016 season. So do not believe an agent so quickly. Agents are sleazy political sales men and nothing more. If he was reasonable the pats would have already signed him. They have plenty of cash to spend still in FA. Actually, his agent said nothing has been discussed about contracts since LAST year. “The Patriots haven’t approached Malcolm about his contract since last year, and anything that says he keeps asking for the moon is completely false,” Simpson said, via Mike Reiss of ESPN.com.

03-16-2017, 07:29 AM	#10
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Actually, his agent said nothing has been discussed about contracts since LAST year. just what i said last year meaning 2016. they talked and the pats did not think he was worth it and walked away. Butler has not budged. The pats will not let him go for chump change. they know his name is worth money. So they tagged him. They will let him play at just under 4 million in 2017. They will let him walk in 2018 as a UFA and take whatever comp pick they can get. if his agent does not lower his demands in 2017 . The pats will not be spending big bucks next year. The gilmore signing and other moves show this is a year were the pats are going to try for another super bowl run before Tom leaves the game for good. This is the patriot way of doing business. No player will strong arm them in contract talks. Read this and you will get a good picture of The Patriot Way Malcolm Butler Just Another 'Non-Essential' Patriots Employee Malcolm Butler Just Another 'Non-Essential' Patriots Employee - Obnoxious Boston Fan - Boston.com $3.91 million Read more at: Malcolm Butler Receives First-Round Tender From Patriots As Free Agent \| New England Patriots \| NESN.com
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