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Euphoria 04-28-2017 06:04 AM

2017 Draft Day 2 - Rounds 2 and 3
 
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Rounds 2-3: 7 p.m. ET, Friday, April 28

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I am thinking we are going Ohio again???

Curits Samuel WR/RB

dizzle88 04-28-2017 06:19 AM

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Defensive line!!!!

saintsfan1976 04-28-2017 06:19 AM

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Priority #1 -
Must improve the pass rush.

saintsfan1976 04-28-2017 06:22 AM

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Willis
Dupree

CheramieIII 04-28-2017 06:33 AM

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DeMarcus Walker, DE/DT, Florida State and I really like the Lattimore pick up. We got a CB just as good if not better than Butler, a lot cheaper and keep the 32nd pick.

and although the OT pick is not sexy it fills a need that will be open now or the end of the season.

papz 04-28-2017 06:39 AM

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I really like Duke Riley. He brings a ton of energy and athleticism that our defense could use. Plus, he's practically cut from the same cloth as Debo Jones who was a big time impact player for the Falcons now.

burningmetal 04-28-2017 06:48 AM

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I've been thinking the same thing about Samuel. Maybe not in the second round, but if he falls to the third I wouldn't be surprised to see the Saints take him, if he's there when they pick.

He's the scat back, who can play slot, that Payton likes to have. We don't have one of those now, so Samuel (especially considering he's a Buckeye) seems like the guy he'd take.

I wouldn't mind the player, but I believe there are bigger needs. I guess it depends on how much they value the remaining pass rushers and linebackers. I like Tarell Basham, from Ohio, as a third round prospect. Not sure about second round with him. Not high on many of the other edge rushers at this point. Some pretty good linebackers left, though.

Beastmode 04-28-2017 06:50 AM

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Both picks have been injured and Ramczyk just had hip surgery. I like the players but the potential is high they will be on the bench. High risk high reward.

burningmetal 04-28-2017 06:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papz (Post 746998)
I really like Duke Riley. He brings a ton of energy and athleticism that our defense could use. Plus, he's practically cut from the same cloth as Debo Jones who was a big time impact player for the Falcons now.

I like him, too. Kendell Beckwith, as well. Riley is little more dymanic, though, and he really improved tremendously in his last two years. Beckwith is just a really smart player who is a sound tackler, with solid speed for a middle linebacker. He'd be a good get in the third round or later.

Tim Williams is still there as a pass rusher, but lacks much of an all around game. Who knows what will happen, but it'll be interesting.

hagan714 04-28-2017 07:27 AM

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players the saints will not draft because I want them

Marcus Williams FS Utah 6005 202 4.56 #20 Jr
Tarell Basham DE Ohio 6036 269 4.70 #93 Sr
George Kittle TE Iowa 6036 250 4.53 #46 rSr

another CB? write them off also because of me

Kevin King CB/FS/SS Washington 6032 200 4.43 #20 Sr
Fabian Moreau CB UCLA 6004 206 4.35 #10 rSr
Quincy Wilson CB/FS Florida 6012 211 4.54 #6 Jr
Chidobe Awuzie CB Colorado 5113 205 4.44 #4 Sr

I am curious to see if this reported love affair is true

Tyus Bowser, OLB, Houston 6021 240 4.67 #81 Sr

another OSU player? does this love affair continue?

Raekwon McMillam ILB Ohio State 6016 240 4.78 #5 Jr

Annual small school wonder?

Derek Rivers DE Youngstown St 6042 255 4.61 #11

then there is

Joe Mixon, RB, Oklahoma 6011 226 4.45 #25 rSo

Not on my list at 42 so the saints will probably draft from here.

Budda Baker FS/CB/KR Washington 5095 192 4.52 Jr
Marcus Maye FS/SS Florida 5111 210 4.54 #20 rSr
Zach Cunningham MLB/OLB Vanderbilt 6034 234 4.67 #41 rJr
Carl Lawson DE Auburn 6015 253 4.67 #4.67 rJr
DeMarcus Walker DE Florida State 6021 273 4.86 #44 Sr
Chris Godwin WR Penn St 6010 209 4.42 #12 Jr
Curtis Samuel WR/RB/KR Ohio State 5105 196 4.31 #4 Jr
Zay Jones WR East Carolina 6021 201 4.45 #7 Sr
DeShone Kizer QB Notre Dame 6041 230 4.84 #14 rSo
Davis Webb QB California 6032 227 4.86 #7 Sr
Desmond King CB Iowa 5101 203 4.53 #14 Sr
Jourdan Lewis CB Michigan 5095 176 4.43 #26 Sr
Cordrea Tankersley CB/FS Clemson 6012 199 4.40 #25 Sr
Teez Tabor CB Florida 6002 192 4.50 #30 Jr

hagan714 04-28-2017 07:34 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 746995)
although the OT pick is not sexy it fills a need that will be open now or the end of the season.

I think sand in the paints linemen are sexy

Quote:

Originally Posted by papz (Post 746998)
I really like Duke Riley. He brings a ton of energy and athleticism that our defense could use. Plus, he's practically cut from the same cloth as Debo Jones who was a big time impact player for the Falcons now.

Duke Riley WOLB/SS/ILB LSU 6005 231 4.58 #40

I would not mind it but the hate for LSU players is as strong as the love for OSU players

ScottF 04-28-2017 08:06 AM

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.d67209a5099b

McDowell DL, Williams OLB, or maybe Lawson

hating the OT pick more and more

Euphoria 04-28-2017 08:28 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 747024)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.d67209a5099b

McDowell DL, Williams OLB, or maybe Lawson

hating the OT pick more and more

I am with you... not sure if I cam crazy about the OT pick with so many other players that could be electric for us.

I keep seeing Lawson's name pop up... can't say I would hate that pick

hagan714 04-28-2017 08:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 747024)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.d67209a5099b

McDowell DL, Williams OLB, or maybe Lawson

hating the OT pick more and more

always remember

as Drew goes so do the saints

RT was an area of need since Peat has two left feet and can not dance to his right. Watch this kid run block on the move and at the second level. That is probably the best part of his well rounded game.

lee909 04-28-2017 08:40 AM

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Can i just say one more time

Trade the Pats comp pick to the Jets
They cannot afford to keep him and by all account will take a late 3 early 4

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rezburna 04-28-2017 08:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 747005)
players the saints will not draft because I want them

Marcus Williams FS Utah 6005 202 4.56 #20 Jr
Tarell Basham DE Ohio 6036 269 4.70 #93 Sr
George Kittle TE Iowa 6036 250 4.53 #46 rSr

another CB? write them off also because of me

Kevin King CB/FS/SS Washington 6032 200 4.43 #20 Sr
Fabian Moreau CB UCLA 6004 206 4.35 #10 rSr
Quincy Wilson CB/FS Florida 6012 211 4.54 #6 Jr
Chidobe Awuzie CB Colorado 5113 205 4.44 #4 Sr

I am curious to see if this reported love affair is true

Tyus Bowser, OLB, Houston 6021 240 4.67 #81 Sr

another OSU player? does this love affair continue?

Raekwon McMillam ILB Ohio State 6016 240 4.78 #5 Jr

Annual small school wonder?

Derek Rivers DE Youngstown St 6042 255 4.61 #11

then there is

Joe Mixon, RB, Oklahoma 6011 226 4.45 #25 rSo

Not on my list at 42 so the saints will probably draft from here.

Budda Baker FS/CB/KR Washington 5095 192 4.52 Jr
Marcus Maye FS/SS Florida 5111 210 4.54 #20 rSr
Zach Cunningham MLB/OLB Vanderbilt 6034 234 4.67 #41 rJr
Carl Lawson DE Auburn 6015 253 4.67 #4.67 rJr
DeMarcus Walker DE Florida State 6021 273 4.86 #44 Sr
Chris Godwin WR Penn St 6010 209 4.42 #12 Jr
Curtis Samuel WR/RB/KR Ohio State 5105 196 4.31 #4 Jr
Zay Jones WR East Carolina 6021 201 4.45 #7 Sr
DeShone Kizer QB Notre Dame 6041 230 4.84 #14 rSo
Davis Webb QB California 6032 227 4.86 #7 Sr
Desmond King CB Iowa 5101 203 4.53 #14 Sr
Jourdan Lewis CB Michigan 5095 176 4.43 #26 Sr
Cordrea Tankersley CB/FS Clemson 6012 199 4.40 #25 Sr
Teez Tabor CB Florida 6002 192 4.50 #30 Jr

Bro...I'm really feeling these Ohio State prospects. I wouldn't be upset if we took both Raekwon McMillan and Curtis Samuel. Urban Meyer put out similar products when he was at Florida. He has a track record putting out quality players.

Ezekiel Elliot
Joey Bosa
Michael Thomas
Ryan Shazier
Eli Apple
Von Bell

I don't know what he does, but he gets his players pretty pro ready. Budda Baker, Tyus Bowser, and Zach Cunningham intrigue me, as well as Tim Williams. Ready to see what happens.

K Major 04-28-2017 08:54 AM

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Yet some posters want to stop the OSU draft train connection :rolleyes: ...

Urban Meyer has been recruiting studs at the next level for years. Lattimore will become a play maker for the Saints.

rezburna 04-28-2017 08:58 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 747044)
Yet some posters want to stop the OSU draft train connection :rolleyes: ...

Urban Meyer has been recruiting studs at the next level for years. Lattimore will become a play maker for the Saints.

The Ohio State players we've drafted have proven to be pretty damn good thus far. Thomas more than Bell, but I wouldn't call Bell a bad pick. I'm feeling the Ohio State connection.

CheramieIII 04-28-2017 09:02 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 747005)
players the saints will not draft because I want them

Marcus Williams FS Utah 6005 202 4.56 #20 Jr
Tarell Basham DE Ohio 6036 269 4.70 #93 Sr
George Kittle TE Iowa 6036 250 4.53 #46 rSr

another CB? write them off also because of me

Kevin King CB/FS/SS Washington 6032 200 4.43 #20 Sr
Fabian Moreau CB UCLA 6004 206 4.35 #10 rSr
Quincy Wilson CB/FS Florida 6012 211 4.54 #6 Jr
Chidobe Awuzie CB Colorado 5113 205 4.44 #4 Sr

I am curious to see if this reported love affair is true

Tyus Bowser, OLB, Houston 6021 240 4.67 #81 Sr

another OSU player? does this love affair continue?

Raekwon McMillam ILB Ohio State 6016 240 4.78 #5 Jr

Annual small school wonder?

Derek Rivers DE Youngstown St 6042 255 4.61 #11

then there is

Joe Mixon, RB, Oklahoma 6011 226 4.45 #25 rSo

Not on my list at 42 so the saints will probably draft from here.

Budda Baker FS/CB/KR Washington 5095 192 4.52 Jr
Marcus Maye FS/SS Florida 5111 210 4.54 #20 rSr
Zach Cunningham MLB/OLB Vanderbilt 6034 234 4.67 #41 rJr
Carl Lawson DE Auburn 6015 253 4.67 #4.67 rJr
DeMarcus Walker DE Florida State 6021 273 4.86 #44 Sr
Chris Godwin WR Penn St 6010 209 4.42 #12 Jr
Curtis Samuel WR/RB/KR Ohio State 5105 196 4.31 #4 Jr
Zay Jones WR East Carolina 6021 201 4.45 #7 Sr
DeShone Kizer QB Notre Dame 6041 230 4.84 #14 rSo
Davis Webb QB California 6032 227 4.86 #7 Sr
Desmond King CB Iowa 5101 203 4.53 #14 Sr
Jourdan Lewis CB Michigan 5095 176 4.43 #26 Sr
Cordrea Tankersley CB/FS Clemson 6012 199 4.40 #25 Sr
Teez Tabor CB Florida 6002 192 4.50 #30 Jr

I could see Basham, Moreau, Walker or Webb so your list is pretty good Hagan.

hagan714 04-28-2017 09:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 747047)
The Ohio State players we've drafted have proven to be pretty damn good thus far. Thomas more than Bell, but I wouldn't call Bell a bad pick. I'm feeling the Ohio State connection.

I only say it because of the lack of love for LSU players

rezburna 04-28-2017 09:06 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 747052)
I only say it because of the lack of love for LSU players

I don't know why Payton kept passing up on all that talent LSU puts out.

Seer1 04-28-2017 09:07 AM

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I could give a crap where they're from. I only care where they're goin'.

Danno 04-28-2017 09:15 AM

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Just about every expert claimed this draft was 3 or 4 rounds deep with good quality pass rush prospects.
I'm not gonna panic just because we didn't draft in in the 1st round.

We got the #1 CB, and the #1 OT. Thats a good day.

burningmetal 04-28-2017 09:17 AM

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Urban Meyer isn't the only coach or program who puts out players. There are other top programs who put out just as many, and more, and with higher rates of pro success than Ohio State. I don't have hate for their players. Heck, there have been players I've wanted from there.

It just gets weird when better prospects are often passed on to feed the seeming infatuation of getting OSU players. I like Lattimore a lot. But Hassan Reddick would have been dymamite, and even Reuben Foster, despite my concerns of future failed drug tests (I know it isn't confirmed that his diluted sample was intentional, but I doubt it wasn't).

It is what it is, though. At least they got a good player.

|Mitch| 04-28-2017 09:19 AM

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What about this guy with one of our picks today:

Derek Rivers, DE/OLB, Youngstown State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 248. Arm: 32.75.
40 Time: 4.61.
Projected Round (2017): 2-4.
4/26/17: Rivers ran fast at the combine and showed some athleticism. As a senior, he totaled 58 tackles with 19.5 tackles for a loss, 14 sacks, one forced fumble and one pass batted. Rivers showed his pass-rush skills with eight sacks as a junior and 13 as a sophomore. He could end up being a second-day pick.

burningmetal 04-28-2017 09:26 AM

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Rivers is very intriguing. Maybe the dark horse of all defenders in this draft, because his stats are so impressive, and his competition was so... Not. It's hard to know what to expect from him, but he's definitely worth a shot at some point in day two, if a guy like Tarell Basham isn't there anymore.

rezburna 04-28-2017 09:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 747065)
Urban Meyer isn't the only coach or program who puts out players. There are other top programs who put out just as many, and more, and with higher rates of pro success than Ohio State. I don't have hate for their players. Heck, there have been players I've wanted from there.

It just gets weird when better prospects are often passed on to feed the seeming infatuation of getting OSU players. I like Lattimore a lot. But Hassan Reddick would have been dymamite, and even Reuben Foster, despite my concerns of future failed drug tests (I know it isn't confirmed that his diluted sample was intentional, but I doubt it wasn't).

It is what it is, though. At least they got a good player.

I don't think that was the case with Lattimore. He was projected as high as 5th overall to the Titans. Many had him rated as one of the top 5 players in this entire draft class. Most people didn't even expect him to fall to us. I think another gift fell to us just like Sheldon Rankins, who didn't have injury issues, but ended up injured anyway.

Seer1 04-28-2017 09:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 747065)
Urban Meyer isn't the only coach or program who puts out players. There are other top programs who put out just as many, and more, and with higher rates of pro success than Ohio State. I don't have hate for their players. Heck, there have been players I've wanted from there.

It just gets weird when better prospects are often passed on to feed the seeming infatuation of getting OSU players. I like Lattimore a lot. But Hassan Reddick would have been dymamite, and even Reuben Foster, despite my concerns of future failed drug tests (I know it isn't confirmed that his diluted sample was intentional, but I doubt it wasn't).

It is what it is, though. At least they got a good player.

Urban will soon surpass Les in his recruiting and of and having more pro ready players in the draft. LSU will soon be in second place in having the most former players in the NFL. As far as the Saints passing up better prospects in order to draft tOSU players? (Reddick vs Lattimore?) That's just spurious.

foreverfan 04-28-2017 09:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 747005)
players the saints will not draft because I want them

Marcus Williams FS Utah 6005 202 4.56 #20 Jr
Tarell Basham DE Ohio 6036 269 4.70 #93 Sr
George Kittle TE Iowa 6036 250 4.53 #46 rSr

another CB? write them off also because of me

Kevin King CB/FS/SS Washington 6032 200 4.43 #20 Sr
Fabian Moreau CB UCLA 6004 206 4.35 #10 rSr
Quincy Wilson CB/FS Florida 6012 211 4.54 #6 Jr
Chidobe Awuzie CB Colorado 5113 205 4.44 #4 Sr

Waste of time is long with you...

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burningmetal 04-28-2017 09:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 747073)
I don't think that was the case with Lattimore. He was projected as high as 5th overall to the Titans. Many had him rated as one of the top 5 players in this entire draft class. Most people didn't even expect him to fall to us. I think another gift fell to us just like Sheldon Rankins, who didn't have injury issues, but ended up injured anyway.

I'm well aware of how highly projected Lattimore was, and I have said at every mention that I like him. I just think there were dynamic play makers, up front, who would seem to be a higher priority. Best player available is always the cop out response, I know, but if we're honest with ourselves we should have learned by now that the back end of your defense can only do so much if they have to cover all day, or if we are getting gashed in the run game.

We have some really good D-linemen, but we lack enough true pass rushers, and we really are hurting for depth up front.

All that said, again, I like Lattimore and think he'll be very good.

K Major 04-28-2017 09:59 AM

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I wonder if Jordan Willis is on our big board @ 42 tonight?

rezburna 04-28-2017 10:01 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 747079)
I'm well aware of how highly projected Lattimore was, and I have said at every mention that I like him. I just think there were dynamic play makers, up front, who would seem to be a higher priority. Best player available is always the cop out response, I know, but if we're honest with ourselves we should have learned by now that the back end of your defense can only do so much if they have to cover all day, or if we are getting gashed in the run game.

We have some really good D-linemen, but we lack enough true pass rushers, and we really are hurting for depth up front.

All that said, again, I like Lattimore and think he'll be very good.

The front office is probably just comfortable with the depth of the draft at LB and pass rushers. There's a lot of quality players left at both positions to where we can address all needs. We'll just have to see what they do with these picks. I wouldn't be mad at another corner though, especially if it was Sidney Jones or Kevin King.

burningmetal 04-28-2017 10:06 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 747076)
Urban will soon surpass Les in his recruiting and of and having more pro ready players in the draft. LSU will soon be in second place in having the most former players in the NFL. As far as the Saints passing up better prospects in order to draft tOSU players? (Reddick vs Lattimore?) That's just spurious.

Where do you get this erroneous information? LSU continues to put out talent every year. That didn't suddenly stop. I didn't even mention LSU. I know you are a notorious LSU basher, though, so I'm not surprised at your biased rants.

There are programs, LSU included, who produce more starters than Ohio State. There are programs like Florida who put out a bunch of draft picks, but have a terrible success rate. Ohio State is somewhere in the middle.

And I didn't compare Lattimore to Reddick. I simply said that guys like him or Foster would have been more dynamic, or perhaps "impactful" would be a better term, as they would address dire needs.

I don't think our secondary was that far off. They need to stay healthy (surprisingly, so does Lattimore. How about that?), but other than that, they just need help up front.

|Mitch| 04-28-2017 10:08 AM

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burningmetal 04-28-2017 10:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 747082)
The front office is probably just comfortable with the depth of the draft at LB and pass rushers. There's a lot of quality players left at both positions to where we can address all needs. We'll just have to see what they do with these picks. I wouldn't be mad at another corner though, especially if it was Sidney Jones or Kevin King.

That may be their opinion, but there is a distinct difference between depth, and high end talent. I agree that this is a deep draft. But you really want to hit on your early picks, no matter how deep the draft is. I wouldn't call Lattimore a miss. Just thought he would have been a lower priority.

It's a free country, I'm just giving my two cents. It's not like we can change anything. The OT pick didn't excite me, simply because OT's are never exciting. But after all the guys I wanted at 32 got gobbled up in a matter of minutes, I didn't have a problem with that pick.

Seer1 04-28-2017 10:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 747085)
Where do you get this erroneous information? LSU continues to put out talent every year. That didn't suddenly stop. I didn't even mention LSU. I know you are a notorious LSU basher, though, so I'm not surprised at your biased rants.

There are programs, LSU included, who produce more starters than Ohio State. There are programs like Florida who put out a bunch of draft picks, but have a terrible success rate. Ohio State is somewhere in the middle.

And I didn't compare Lattimore to Reddick. I simply said that guys like him or Foster would have been more dynamic, or perhaps "impactful" would be a better term, as they would address dire needs.

I don't think our secondary was that far off. They need to stay healthy (surprisingly, so does Lattimore. How about that?), but other than that, they just need help up front.

I more consider myself an LSU fan conspiracy theorist chain yanker. I don't care where they do or don't come from. Once they're a Saint, they're okay in my book. Unless of course they aren't and should be cut.

|Mitch| 04-28-2017 10:58 AM

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I'm liking Derek Rivers/Tim Williams/Demarcus Walker either one of those three will help us immensely getting to the quarterback

lee909 04-28-2017 11:02 AM

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What about Cunningham. Nobody keen?

Seems the sort of LB we need. Bit of speed and coverage LB.

Sounds like he needs a bit of meat on his bones though

|Mitch| 04-28-2017 11:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 747119)
What about Cunningham. Nobody keen?

I am just looking at potential end opposite Cam Jordan... We might already have the starter in Okafor for all we know...

burningmetal 04-28-2017 11:29 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 747109)
I more consider myself an LSU fan conspiracy theorist chain yanker. I don't care where they do or don't come from. Once they're a Saint, they're okay in my book. Unless of course they aren't and should be cut.

Well, I am no conspiracy theorist. I don't care where they come from, either. I just care about picks that make sense, and I, like many others, can't help but notice the OSU fascination, even when the pick doesn't make much sense. This particular pick made some sense, but there were other options who might have been more prudent. Yet, we took the OSU guy again. Just adds fuel to the idea that this isn't a coincidence. I'm not one to grasp at small things. This has been over a long period of time, and I just can't help but find it strange. That is all.


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