Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ...

hagan714 · 05-02-2017, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

Most thought Lattimore pick was awesome until John Gruden ripped up the pick over the hamstring issue from his past. Don't be brainwashed by the media. Gruden just prompted to be the "bad cop" when the discussion happened. I don't trust ESPN at all.

I have been in Gruden's camp all season long. Achilles was off my draft board.
Actually I think he showed up after i pitched camp.

Every time I watched OSU i came away saying Damn I wish Lattimore was as far along in his mental game as Conley.

oh well lets see what happens. All he has to do is have a bigger impact on the field than OJ Howard.

K Major · 05-02-2017, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

oh well lets see what happens. All he has to do is have a bigger impact on the field than OJ Howard.

Lol,

Let it go Hagan. OJ is a Buc now

.

Euphoria · 05-02-2017, 01:10 PM

If you been following the saints draft for the past few years there is a trend.

BPA no matter the position. If we get BPA that fills a need great! The trend is drafting a player on each level of O and D. 3 levels of D (DB, LB and DL), O (OL, WR, Backfield).

I don't know why people get so caught up on filling needs... those are addressed during FA. Drafting is just trying to get someone that turns out to be a home run and keep our cap down.

If you look at it from this perspective... I am not surprised one bit of what, who and when.

Rugby Saint II · 05-02-2017, 01:45 PM

I had hamstring issues when I was younger. One time a player across the field yelled at me when I went down that he heard it pop. I got over it though and it hasn't been an issue in decades.

hagan714 · 05-02-2017, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I had hamstring issues when I was younger. One time a player across the field yelled at me when I went down that he heard it pop. I got over it though and it hasn't been an issue in decades.

this is what we are all praying for. not that i hate praying or anything but i would rather not waste my time doing it for our first pick.

oh well

our father who ........

jeanpierre · 05-02-2017, 03:38 PM

What's bothered me since we had Junior Galette was we've had 4-3 looking front on Cam Jordan's side and a 3-4 looking front on Galette's side...

And the Galette side (insert new name here) always seems to get gashed with these big run plays because that player was always too small to set the edge and was really just a pass-rush specialist...

That's why I've banged the drum for a Malik McDowell sized defensive end opposite Cam...

Sheldon Rankins is actually very undersized for a 3T, but he has other abilities that offset his lack of size...

But if you've got too many undersized guys, things become problematic along your front...

Yet, I'll say it again, I expect the guys we already have to play at a better level because they will now have another year in DA's system and we've got much better position coaches now for the defensive line and linebacking units...

I'd just like to see the grades that the Saints scouts assigned now that the draft is over to see who or what they valued more than say others because there were two opportunities to take what I'd consider very good DEs at 32, 42 and especially with the 67 pick we went out and grabbed...

Halo · 05-02-2017, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

I'd just like to see the grades that the Saints scouts assigned now that the draft is over to see who or what they valued more than say others because there were two opportunities to take what I'd consider very good DEs at 32, 42 and especially with the 67 pick we went out and grabbed...

Agree. Let's face it, picking defense is not Loomis and Coach SP's specialty. These are offensive minded people. Would rather they bring in a veteran (retired) GM as consultant on the defensive picks - someone who built a defense before, and NOT a former defensive coach.

If we could only resurrect Jim Finks' draft mind from the grave for two drafts, the defense would be top in the league.

Seer1 · 05-03-2017, 12:01 PM

I know he's a Whodat favorite and was simply awesome, but after reading some of his tweets... well... is Deuce channeling WillSaints81?

WillSaints81 · 05-03-2017, 06:32 PM

Where have I pit down no name school players?

Seer1 · 05-04-2017, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Where have I pit down no name school players?

Honestly Will, I was commenting on the occasionally random posts you put up that leave many of us scratching our heads as to trying to figure out what you're talking about. I'm finding quite a few of Deuce's draft tweets are making me feel the same way.

05-02-2017, 03:55 PM	#1
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ... Originally Posted by Halo Most thought Lattimore pick was awesome until John Gruden ripped up the pick over the hamstring issue from his past. Don't be brainwashed by the media. Gruden just prompted to be the "bad cop" when the discussion happened. I don't trust ESPN at all. I have been in Gruden's camp all season long. Achilles was off my draft board. Actually I think he showed up after i pitched camp. Every time I watched OSU i came away saying Damn I wish Lattimore was as far along in his mental game as Conley. oh well lets see what happens. All he has to do is have a bigger impact on the field than OJ Howard. jeanpierre likes this.

05-02-2017, 04:04 PM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,844 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ... Originally Posted by hagan714 oh well lets see what happens. All he has to do is have a bigger impact on the field than OJ Howard. Lol, Let it go Hagan. OJ is a Buc now . hagan714 and jeanpierre like this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,198	Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ... I had hamstring issues when I was younger. One time a player across the field yelled at me when I went down that he heard it pop. I got over it though and it hasn't been an issue in decades. hagan714 likes this.

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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ... Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I had hamstring issues when I was younger. One time a player across the field yelled at me when I went down that he heard it pop. I got over it though and it hasn't been an issue in decades. this is what we are all praying for. not that i hate praying or anything but i would rather not waste my time doing it for our first pick. oh well our father who ........

05-02-2017, 03:38 PM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ... What's bothered me since we had Junior Galette was we've had 4-3 looking front on Cam Jordan's side and a 3-4 looking front on Galette's side... And the Galette side (insert new name here) always seems to get gashed with these big run plays because that player was always too small to set the edge and was really just a pass-rush specialist... That's why I've banged the drum for a Malik McDowell sized defensive end opposite Cam... Sheldon Rankins is actually very undersized for a 3T, but he has other abilities that offset his lack of size... But if you've got too many undersized guys, things become problematic along your front... Yet, I'll say it again, I expect the guys we already have to play at a better level because they will now have another year in DA's system and we've got much better position coaches now for the defensive line and linebacking units... I'd just like to see the grades that the Saints scouts assigned now that the draft is over to see who or what they valued more than say others because there were two opportunities to take what I'd consider very good DEs at 32, 42 and especially with the 67 pick we went out and grabbed...
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05-02-2017, 03:46 PM	#7
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,907 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ... Originally Posted by jeanpierre I'd just like to see the grades that the Saints scouts assigned now that the draft is over to see who or what they valued more than say others because there were two opportunities to take what I'd consider very good DEs at 32, 42 and especially with the 67 pick we went out and grabbed... Agree. Let's face it, picking defense is not Loomis and Coach SP's specialty. These are offensive minded people. Would rather they bring in a veteran (retired) GM as consultant on the defensive picks - someone who built a defense before, and NOT a former defensive coach. If we could only resurrect Jim Finks' draft mind from the grave for two drafts, the defense would be top in the league. jeanpierre likes this.

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Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ... I know he's a Whodat favorite and was simply awesome, but after reading some of his tweets... well... is Deuce channeling WillSaints81?

05-03-2017, 06:32 PM	#9
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,285	Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ... Where have I pit down no name school players?

05-04-2017, 07:18 AM	#10
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ... Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Where have I pit down no name school players? Honestly Will, I was commenting on the occasionally random posts you put up that leave many of us scratching our heads as to trying to figure out what you're talking about. I'm finding quite a few of Deuce's draft tweets are making me feel the same way.