Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ...

The Dude · 05-03-2017, 08:50 PM

Idk, too many times last year I saw Qbs given all day to throw the ball. The backfield was doing its job as depleted as it was. If a QB has all day to throw the ball then the defense has all day to get pressure, they just didn't.

K Major · 05-04-2017, 09:26 AM

Hagin,
I'll leave my grade on the draft as W - WAIT AND SEE. I thought Anthony was a outstanding pick & I was almost ready to label Peat as a bust. After year 2, the opposite holds true

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hagan714 · 05-04-2017, 02:20 PM

I always give our draft picks 4 year prove it contract time.

Rob Ryan, FA and trad players do not get a break

Rugby Saint II · 05-04-2017, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

I always give our draft picks 4 year prove it contract time.

Rob Ryan, FA and trad players do not get a break

True Dat! We have been insufficient evaluating talent. Ireland has helped on the defensive side of the ball but we may need a true football GM, which Loomis is not. He's a yes man and bean counter.

jeanpierre · 05-05-2017, 06:32 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

True Dat! We have been insufficient evaluating talent. Ireland has helped on the defensive side of the ball but we may need a true football GM, which Loomis is not. He's a yes man and bean counter.

Look at all the teams in the NFL who have virtual dictatorships where the HCs have all the stroke, it just doesn't work...

You gotta have checks and balances and the the only checks and balances Loomis knows are as Payton's trained monkey...

Mora was the toast of the NFL with the Saints franchise turnaround, then when he didn't have Mr. Finks to reign him in, he ran what he built into the ground...

The Dude · 05-04-2017, 08:22 PM

He will probably play 8 games a season average and have a good year in year 4 but we won't pick up the option. He goes to another team and starts all 16 games year in and year out.

"Why all the negativity?"
Have you seen anything about the health of our backfield in the past 5 years to be positive about?

I hope the new coaches came with a new strength and conditioning staff.

triman · 05-07-2017, 10:27 AM

I see a rotation of situational pass rushers We need about 12 more sacks.If three guys get four sacks I'm ok with that add in a few CB and S blitzes and we are top fifteen D !

Seer1 · 05-07-2017, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by triman

I see a rotation of situational pass rushers We need about 12 more sacks.If three guys get four sacks I'm ok with that add in a few CB and S blitzes and we are top fifteen D !

Don't forget the whole turnover thing.

AsylumGuido · 05-07-2017, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by triman

I see a rotation of situational pass rushers We need about 12 more sacks.If three guys get four sacks I'm ok with that add in a few CB and S blitzes and we are top fifteen D !

If the Saints were to add 12 sacks to last year's total (30, 27th NFL) they would have tied for 3rd in the league behind only Arizona (48) and Carolina (47). A marginal improvement of even six more sacks would have them in 13th position.

Think about that for a second. We are not far off from having very good defense with a little health and improved players and coaching. I feel we have just that.

dizzle88 · 05-07-2017, 11:20 AM

Somebody teach Breaux how to defend the Rub Route near the endzone and we'll allow a lot less TD's.

In all seriousness though, the secondary and Front 7 have to work in tandem. It wasn't all one positional groups fault, it was always a mixture.

Sometimes the DB's had great coverage but the D line gave the QB 5+ seconds to pass.

Sometimes the D line got good pressure but the DB's lost their men immediatedly off the line.

They have to learn to work as a group, 2009's D was filled with unwanted players and players that weren't that great, but they played hard for each other every snap and had a mindset that they would out work every offense.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ... Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II True Dat! We have been insufficient evaluating talent. Ireland has helped on the defensive side of the ball but we may need a true football GM, which Loomis is not. He's a yes man and bean counter. Look at all the teams in the NFL who have virtual dictatorships where the HCs have all the stroke, it just doesn't work... You gotta have checks and balances and the the only checks and balances Loomis knows are as Payton's trained monkey... Mora was the toast of the NFL with the Saints franchise turnaround, then when he didn't have Mr. Finks to reign him in, he ran what he built into the ground...

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,065	Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ... He will probably play 8 games a season average and have a good year in year 4 but we won't pick up the option. He goes to another team and starts all 16 games year in and year out. "Why all the negativity?" Have you seen anything about the health of our backfield in the past 5 years to be positive about? I hope the new coaches came with a new strength and conditioning staff.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,760	Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ... Originally Posted by triman I see a rotation of situational pass rushers We need about 12 more sacks.If three guys get four sacks I'm ok with that add in a few CB and S blitzes and we are top fifteen D ! If the Saints were to add 12 sacks to last year's total (30, 27th NFL) they would have tied for 3rd in the league behind only Arizona (48) and Carolina (47). A marginal improvement of even six more sacks would have them in 13th position. Think about that for a second. We are not far off from having very good defense with a little health and improved players and coaching. I feel we have just that.

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,546	Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ... Somebody teach Breaux how to defend the Rub Route near the endzone and we'll allow a lot less TD's. In all seriousness though, the secondary and Front 7 have to work in tandem. It wasn't all one positional groups fault, it was always a mixture. Sometimes the DB's had great coverage but the D line gave the QB 5+ seconds to pass. Sometimes the D line got good pressure but the DB's lost their men immediatedly off the line. They have to learn to work as a group, 2009's D was filled with unwanted players and players that weren't that great, but they played hard for each other every snap and had a mindset that they would out work every offense.
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