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Ingram is 3rd all time in Saints history for rushing yards. He needs 30 yards to eclipse George Rogers for 2nd in franchise history. He has a legitimate shot at catching Deuce McAllister for the top spot eventually, needing 1,858 more rushing yards. His 5.1 yards per carry last year is best all time in franchise history, single season, for a 200 carry minimum.

If you drop the carry minimum to 100, it’s still 4th best all time in franchise history, behind only Hokie Gajan, Pierre Thomas and Chris Ivory.

Wanna know the list of running backs in the NFL that have more rushing yards than Mark Ingram the last three years? DeMarco Murray, Le’Veon Bell, LeSean McCoy, Lamar Miller, Frank Gore. That’s it. He’s 6th in the entire league in rushing yards the last three years. I had one fan tell me just today on twitter that Mark Ingram “goes down way too easily”. He led the NFL in yards after contact last year. I guess that means every single other back in the NFL sucks even worse when it comes to power?

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I personally think Ingram is phenomenal, I think he is the best all round player we've had since PT23.

Never in trouble, always gives 100%, catches just as well as he runs.

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I know Ingram doesn't get a lot of love from Saints fans, but, I just keep thinking of Sean Payton saying that the only thing holding Mark Ingram back is Sean Payton.

That tells you he isn't going anywhere. Payton loves him.

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It's time for Ingram to get the respect he deserves. The excessive criticism he gets from fans is totally unwarranted. He's done nothing but give 100% and be a total role model off the field.

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IMO, this play is why so-called Saints fans have no love for Ingram.

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Rookie season, awful play call by Payton and terrible push by the O line.

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It's about expectation vs reality. You can pull out all the stats you want, facts don't tell the whole story of how perceptions are formed.

And it's about perception.

My perception is that he doesn't have the best vision, he misses holes so big that you could drive an 18 wheeler through them. Secondly, apart from some long runs, he's not consistently making those yards after contact in the way PT23 could. You're supposed to take the extremes into account when dealing with averages.

If he were that great on 3rd down, why isn't he THE guy SP goes to in must-get short yardage situations? Usually it's Brees throwing from the shotgun, cause Ingram's burned him too many times.

He's lucky he's actually begin to perform, a lot of players don't get 3 year cushions to get up to speed.

There are worse, but certainly he's not lived up to his *potential*

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He has lived up to his potential. It just took a long time. The first year or two it was the turf toe that held him back. After that he dedicated himself to his craft and has become a complete back.

It is not his fault that we haven't had a good O-line in several years. It's not his fault that Sean Payton likes the running back by committee approach. It's not his fault Sean Payton gave up two draft picks to get him.

He picks up blocks really well and catches out of the back field just as well as 90% of NFL running backs if not better.

We will see the best from Mark Ingram this year between his motivation from AP and the improved O-line along with a battered and fatigued defense after four quarters that should allow longer runs.

Edit: 5.1 yards per carry ain't half bad either............just sayin' :wink:

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When you watch Pierre Thomas highlights he always seemed to squeeze through a hole that didn't exist and come out on the other end five yards down the field. He'd push the pile on 2nd and 8 and get us the first down. What he didn't bring in big play ability on the ground he made up for in consistency and with catching the ball out of the backfield and blocking. Ingram played well last year though. That was the best he ever looked, but I'd be lying if I said he showed that ability the whole time he was here.

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You are right, to a degree, but he was also not used to his potential in the first two years. And the offensive line was not producing enough in the run game.

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I agree with that as well.

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Same line for both, yet differing results when they played together. No doubt he has improved; he should have. The longer he is with the team and continues up the total-yards-for-a-Saints-RB ladder, the more he justifies the two high draft picks used to get him, not that, IMHO, there is ever a justification for any player to use two draft picks to get, except maybe a guy like Jerry Rice or what not.

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No lsu fans, i mean saints fans have no love for ingram bc he was an alabama running back, not an lsu running back, if ingram went to lsu he would be one of the most beloved saints players this team has had for years, because the man deserves it. I find myself having to post about ingram once a week, bc people on this forum dont trully appreciate what he does for our team. He has gotten better year by year, he lead the league in YAC last year, and in the past 3 years there are only 5 running backs with more yards then Mark Ingram has, and lets face it, if he had the carries all the other running backs had he would have a chance to lead them all, or at least be top 3, It makes me sick, people need to do their homework first before they are quick to say we dont need em.


RANT OVER

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Until Ingram shows he can be the alternative to the passing game, I will stick with my view of him. I wanted Ingram in the 11 Draft and was surprised he fell to us. But in games Brees has struggled in, he hasn't played well.

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The thing about perception is that it is what people see through their own eyes, kind of like an opinion. They are like ass holes and everyone has one.

He's also in a pass first offense that runs by commitee.

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I fixed it for ya!

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Suck it Ingram bashers. Suck it!

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It's all confirmation bias. All of it. Some guy writes a propaganda piece that should've included a disclaimer that reads, "this ad brought to you by Mark Ingram"

Ingram's hesitation and plowing into the backs of 300 lb linemen drive me nuts. If he would run for daylight like his hair was on fire, he'd get my complete unconditional love. I really want to like him, but he does depend on absolutely perfect blocking and execution to succeed.

I remember him slowing down to run into tiny little Brandon Cooks downfield once, 5 yards away from the end zone, instead of just running towards the corner of the end zone for a TD...

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Sorry. I hope you recover some day.

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Don't get me started on the MI haters. It's so ridiculous.

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Tell me a game when Brees hasn't played well that MI had a chance to play well in. If Brees throws pics and has a bad game, we are losing and Payton doesn't run the ball very often.

If you're expecting him to rattle off 20 yard gains with limited touches then you're crazy man.

Secondly, you want him to show you he's a "good alternative​ to the passing game?". How the hell is he going to do that in a system that typically passes first and runs second?

Have you lost your mind?

And last season and the season before he showed he's very effective and a quality back AT THE VERY LEAST.

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I think maybe some of the problem is that he's had to follow in the footsteps of absolute Saints legends. No words are necessary to describe what Deuce, Reggie or Pierre mean to the franchise. Circumstances have been different with Mark in terms of our team now being on the decline.

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When you get down to it, you can argue the Ingram selection cost this team four draft picks... (updated for clarity ;))

There was the 2011 second round pick we packaged to get the 2011 first round pick we used...

There was the 2012 first round pick was the other half of the package...

Because we didn't have a 2012 first round pick, Goodell looking for severe punishment, instead took our 2012 and 2013 second round picks...

Now I'm not speaking for every fan, but, for me, that's too much draft capital, especially when I didn't like the pick. Why?

First, he wasn't a first round pick no matter what the color the sky is in your respective universe...

Second, his selection cost us a first AND second round pick, and I'm rarely like Payton/Loomis two-for-ones...

Third, with the extremely rare players of this past 2017 draft, you don't spend a first round pick on Rbs...

Fourth, we had clear, better need/value intersects in that draft way beyond taking a RB, much less Ingram...

Fifth, in what dimension will Sean Payton pound the rock 30 Att/game with Drew Brees as his QB?

Now, until Ingram's extension he was a disappointment of 3 yards and a cloud of dust with missed big play opportunities, conversions...

Despite this, I favored retaining him after the investment in developing him and RB market conditions with a lack of options...

Maybe he's a slow-learner, but somehow he's become a very complementary RB to Payton's offense...

...and his loss would bear strain on what the Saints are trying to do offensively not having an honest RB option...

I'm glad we have him, now. But you'll never hear me say poor Mark as he's been compensated and overly invested...

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Although, remember in those days JP our draft picks were only worth about 10% of a real draft pick. That means he really only cost us 40% of a pick...

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I don't understand criticizing him for where he was drafted or that we traded up to get him. He had no say in that and it wasn't his decision.

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Bullshinski. He was not effective and often was lost running into the back of offensive linemen...

And by the way, his rookie season he had All-Pros, not just Probowlers, but All-Pros, the top guards in the league to run behind in Nicks and Evans...

That didn't have **** to do with his alma mater...

Most people HATE Ohio State down here, don't tell me we're not pulling for Lattimore, Bell, and Thomas to succeed once they don the Black and Gold...

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Well, let me be clear as we've had this discussion in other threads...

I criticize the pick, not the player, and those reasons I laid out do not lay it all at his feet...

And he's developed into the RB this offense needs, but he wasn't the RB we needed nor should have spent those picks to acquire...

It's as much, if not more, a criticism of Payton/Loomis than Ingram; and I've updated the post to make that point clearer which y'all are right to point out...

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Mark is top half of the league - borderline top 10 based on production, skills, salary etc. Not really sure why the debate on MI at this point. Maybe his initial struggles or the Alabama angle ??

Meanwhile, I'll continue to post Happy Gifs of Mark doing his thing enroute to the end zone and helping our team win :cool: .

https://media4.giphy.com/media/l4Jzi....webp#17-grid1
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I thought it was a good move. He dropped fairly far from where he was projected. He did struggle early on but that had more to do with play calling and turf toe. We kept sending him on dive runs and he said after drafted he is not that kind of RB but that is what we did anyway. Never understood why Payton forces players into roles like that but he is fairly consistent doing it.

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Jeanpierre, are you saying Bama players are all slow learners? :confused: :p

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I think I'm tougher on him cause I really expect a lot out of him. He's getting there though, I think he'll have a nice year if Payton doesn't get the fever and abandon the run game

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There are teams that run the ball playing from behind. We did it against Carolina and Atlanta behind last year. First off going down 10-0 is no reason to start throwing. That's why we put ourselves in the holes we do. But in the game against the lions, Ingram fell down in the redzone. So in other words if Brees struggles, the whole offense has to suck? Brees was literally ineffective that entire game, and Ingram did not help at all. The game against the giants, where was Ingram in that low scoring game? Or how about the fumbling at KC? The fumbling against Seattle? What did he do against Carolina when Brees was having a hard time? At TB week 14? All of those games were early on within reach where there was plenty of time to run the ball. Ingram attempted runs and he was terrible with them in THOSE games.

We can have our opinion of him and we get attacked for it? Why? because we're attacking the saints apparently? Ingram just hasn't done what PT and Deuce have done. We will see what he's all about week 1 at Minnesota?

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I'll give you a better back.........Chris Ivory. Imagine if he was still a saint.

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Wasn't a better back. History proves it.

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That's absurd. You can't possibly believe that.

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Are you kidding me? Last year Ivory played in 11 games and didn't sniff 450 yards rushing.

How in the hell is Ivory a better back?

You've got some seriously misguided logic man. I just don't understand.

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I'm convinced he's either a troll, or a dumbass.

Either way he's off to Ignoreville. He's not even entertaining enough to ridicule anymore.