Damn you Payton!

cars4dylan · 05-18-2017, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

The same record as the other non-playoff years with him as HC. But that season had no preparation for a new coach's scheme and the whole trial interfered. I don't care about 2012 and will not blame his suspension on three straight 7-9 seasons. With Brees around, there probably is not a better HC but SP did make stupid decisions to put the team in this hole.

Wait...wha....what?!?

I can't decipher this yodaesque reply.

WillSaints81 · 05-18-2017, 09:06 PM

I don't need to post stats for 2013. We saw the defense play well. Corey White was playing well after Greer got hurt. We held Seattle to 3 straight field goals until the penalty and missed FG that led to Seattle scoring, and we were in position to tie that drive. Our defense played as well as they could in those conditions in a tough place to play. We allowed 13 points to Carolina to lose the division title. Our oline in road games gave us 5 losses.

WillSaints81 · 05-18-2017, 09:08 PM

Prnalties also........The big play by meachem that he caught the ball that went over a defender and he could not punch it in. We were at the endzone and penalties pushed us back and it led to a missed FG by Graham. That's when the game got out of hand.

AsylumGuido · 05-18-2017, 10:29 PM

Yawn!

turbo_dog · 05-18-2017, 10:39 PM

I may be late to the party here. Anyone else remember someone named billy something or other years ago? Seems like that dude was always causing trouble. Will == Billy ???

pherein · 05-19-2017, 01:16 AM

I totally get you will. You make complete Cents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hCQLEIWadk

oh and rap sucks unless your 12 and have ADD.

voodooido · 05-19-2017, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Totally fu$$ed this team up when he let Caroll get in his head in 2014. And now this entire fanbase is pointing to as many flaws as possible.

Screwed our defenses with his crap trying to be like Seattle.

Completely neglected the oline position.

The fans are divided and I'm not sure where I stand because of this loon on the sideline.

We have one of the best olines in the league. Try again.

WillSaints81 · 05-19-2017, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

We have one of the best olines in the league. Try again.

Really?

2014-Goodwin, grubbs, injured Evans. center a big issue that offseason

2015-Evans, Lelito, Streif. guards a big issue that offseason

2016-Evans in some cases, Lelito/Kelemete. Right guard was a issue and then during season Left guard became a issue with Peat manning LT.

The oline took a step forward last year, but before that the oline struggled the two years before.

voodooido · 05-20-2017, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Really?

2014-Goodwin, grubbs, injured Evans. center a big issue that offseason

2015-Evans, Lelito, Streif. guards a big issue that offseason

2016-Evans in some cases, Lelito/Kelemete. Right guard was a issue and then during season Left guard became a issue with Peat manning LT.

The oline took a step forward last year, but before that the oline struggled the two years before.

I don't even know why I'm responding but here it goes. We have had a top 5 offense for the past 10 years in a row. Last year drew again threw for right at 5000 yards and led the league. Our avg at best rn, MIA ran for over 1000 yards and had a really good avg. you seem to be caught up in big names. Just because we don't have a ton of top name players in the online doesn't mean they are not any good.

WillSaints81 · 05-20-2017, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by voodooido

I don't even know why I'm responding but here it goes. We have had a top 5 offense for the past 10 years in a row. Last year drew again threw for right at 5000 yards and led the league. Our avg at best rn, MIA ran for over 1000 yards and had a really good avg. you seem to be caught up in big names. Just because we don't have a ton of top name players in the online doesn't mean they are not any good.

Our oline has been a problem. Even Hagan, JP will back me on that. So what our offense has been top five. I'm sick and tired of stats more than watching the actual games. I have been on the chats and forum every week for the games and I certainly have seen many things wrong with the oline. Big names? Who said big names? Lelito and Kelemete both had different blocking skills. One was ok with pass, other with run. Brees is 6'0 he needs to have a perfect oline to see down the field.
Our oline is why we lost the division in 2014(because we didn't need to have good defense to win division at 8-8), defense was bad but we held Atlanta to nothing for almost an entire first half before the wheels fell off. Then in 2015, there were bad offensive showings against Arizona, Philadelphia, Indy(run game won that), Washington(or not if SP tanked that), Houston, Carolina(before 2nd half), and Detroit(before 4th). I don't recall 09-11 Brees having that many bad offensive games a season.

Next year we are lucky to have the only aggressive pass rushing team with a good run defense off a bye week and play mostly strong secondaries that lack pass rush or pass rushers with bad run defenses. However, the defense is in a position to need to be god-like against Brady, Rodgers, and Cousins to win those games.

05-18-2017, 11:03 PM	#1
cars4dylan 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 106	Re: Damn you Payton! Originally Posted by WillSaints81 The same record as the other non-playoff years with him as HC. But that season had no preparation for a new coach's scheme and the whole trial interfered. I don't care about 2012 and will not blame his suspension on three straight 7-9 seasons. With Brees around, there probably is not a better HC but SP did make stupid decisions to put the team in this hole. Wait...wha....what?!? I can't decipher this yodaesque reply.
cars4dylan 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 106

05-18-2017, 09:06 PM	#2
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,278	Re: Damn you Payton! I don't need to post stats for 2013. We saw the defense play well. Corey White was playing well after Greer got hurt. We held Seattle to 3 straight field goals until the penalty and missed FG that led to Seattle scoring, and we were in position to tie that drive. Our defense played as well as they could in those conditions in a tough place to play. We allowed 13 points to Carolina to lose the division title. Our oline in road games gave us 5 losses.

05-18-2017, 09:08 PM	#3
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,278	Re: Damn you Payton! Prnalties also........The big play by meachem that he caught the ball that went over a defender and he could not punch it in. We were at the endzone and penalties pushed us back and it led to a missed FG by Graham. That's when the game got out of hand.

05-18-2017, 10:29 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Damn you Payton! Yawn!

05-18-2017, 10:39 PM	#5
turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,649	Re: Damn you Payton! I may be late to the party here. Anyone else remember someone named billy something or other years ago? Seems like that dude was always causing trouble. Will == Billy ??? CharityMike likes this.

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voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,834	Re: Damn you Payton! Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Totally fu$$ed this team up when he let Caroll get in his head in 2014. And now this entire fanbase is pointing to as many flaws as possible. Screwed our defenses with his crap trying to be like Seattle. Completely neglected the oline position. The fans are divided and I'm not sure where I stand because of this loon on the sideline. We have one of the best olines in the league. Try again. ScottF likes this.
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05-19-2017, 08:30 PM	#8
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,278	Re: Damn you Payton! Originally Posted by voodooido We have one of the best olines in the league. Try again. Really? 2014-Goodwin, grubbs, injured Evans. center a big issue that offseason 2015-Evans, Lelito, Streif. guards a big issue that offseason 2016-Evans in some cases, Lelito/Kelemete. Right guard was a issue and then during season Left guard became a issue with Peat manning LT. The oline took a step forward last year, but before that the oline struggled the two years before.

05-20-2017, 07:57 AM	#9
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,834	Re: Damn you Payton! Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Really? 2014-Goodwin, grubbs, injured Evans. center a big issue that offseason 2015-Evans, Lelito, Streif. guards a big issue that offseason 2016-Evans in some cases, Lelito/Kelemete. Right guard was a issue and then during season Left guard became a issue with Peat manning LT. The oline took a step forward last year, but before that the oline struggled the two years before. I don't even know why I'm responding but here it goes. We have had a top 5 offense for the past 10 years in a row. Last year drew again threw for right at 5000 yards and led the league. Our avg at best rn, MIA ran for over 1000 yards and had a really good avg. you seem to be caught up in big names. Just because we don't have a ton of top name players in the online doesn't mean they are not any good. SaintFanInATLHELL and CharityMike like this.
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05-20-2017, 11:12 AM	#10
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,278	Re: Damn you Payton! Originally Posted by voodooido I don't even know why I'm responding but here it goes. We have had a top 5 offense for the past 10 years in a row. Last year drew again threw for right at 5000 yards and led the league. Our avg at best rn, MIA ran for over 1000 yards and had a really good avg. you seem to be caught up in big names. Just because we don't have a ton of top name players in the online doesn't mean they are not any good. Our oline has been a problem. Even Hagan, JP will back me on that. So what our offense has been top five. I'm sick and tired of stats more than watching the actual games. I have been on the chats and forum every week for the games and I certainly have seen many things wrong with the oline. Big names? Who said big names? Lelito and Kelemete both had different blocking skills. One was ok with pass, other with run. Brees is 6'0 he needs to have a perfect oline to see down the field. Our oline is why we lost the division in 2014(because we didn't need to have good defense to win division at 8-8), defense was bad but we held Atlanta to nothing for almost an entire first half before the wheels fell off. Then in 2015, there were bad offensive showings against Arizona, Philadelphia, Indy(run game won that), Washington(or not if SP tanked that), Houston, Carolina(before 2nd half), and Detroit(before 4th). I don't recall 09-11 Brees having that many bad offensive games a season. Next year we are lucky to have the only aggressive pass rushing team with a good run defense off a bye week and play mostly strong secondaries that lack pass rush or pass rushers with bad run defenses. However, the defense is in a position to need to be god-like against Brady, Rodgers, and Cousins to win those games.

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