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AsylumGuido 06-20-2017 07:23 PM
Re: Playoffs or bust?
 
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Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 753130)
Why don't ya'll just hug it out and move on. The season can't get here fast enough.
I'm all into the hugging it out. Very positive.
;)

Papa Voodoo 06-20-2017 07:55 PM
Re: Playoffs or bust?
 
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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 752973)
Yea he's sure not taking it year to year just to sign one year contracts until he retires. He's also not going to come out and say "I'm taking it year to year to see what direction the team is headed before I make another big decision". He is likely not signing now to focus on this year AND make an evaluation after it's over. At his age he's taking a risk. Ink a contract now and secure his future or play out his contract knowing that if gets injured his price tag will take a huge drop or just become non existent.

Nothing about a HOF QB at his age leads me to believe he would stay with a team that produces losing seasons every year.

I do however think we will be a better team and the firing of the coaching staff tells me Payton is serious.

I think by game 4 you know the team well enough to see how the season could shake out.

The comment that said nothing I can say will change a thing is just asinine. Nobody in there right mind should take a statement like "heads to roll" and act like I thought I was going to somehow effect anything.
Drew has several businesses in the city. His kids and wife have roots here. 11 years is a long time to uproot and move to chase a Super Bowl that may not materialize in the new city. Major changes were made and heads did roll due to the mediocrity. With new coaches and players it's unfair to compare this team if it goes 7-9 to the past teams. Give them time. We have a very hard start to the season. If we go 2-2 that would be huge. 1-3 would be ok too as long as they continue to improve as the season progresses. From what I've read I think that's all Asylum has asked fellow posters to acknowledge. If we kept the same coaches and went 7-9 then the question would have more weight.

AsylumGuido 06-20-2017 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 753138)
Drew has several businesses in the city. His kids and wife have roots here. 11 years is a long time to uproot and move to chase a Super Bowl that may not materialize in the new city. Major changes were made and heads did roll due to the mediocrity. With new coaches and players it's unfair to compare this team if it goes 7-9 to the past teams. Give them time. We have a very hard start to the season. If we go 2-2 that would be huge. 1-3 would be ok too as long as they continue to improve as the season progresses. From what I've read I think that's all Asylum has asked fellow posters to acknowledge. If we kept the same coaches and went 7-9 then the question would have more weight.
Well said, Papa!

spkb25 06-21-2017 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 753138)
Drew has several businesses in the city. His kids and wife have roots here. 11 years is a long time to uproot and move to chase a Super Bowl that may not materialize in the new city. Major changes were made and heads did roll due to the mediocrity. With new coaches and players it's unfair to compare this team if it goes 7-9 to the past teams. Give them time. We have a very hard start to the season. If we go 2-2 that would be huge. 1-3 would be ok too as long as they continue to improve as the season progresses. From what I've read I think that's all Asylum has asked fellow posters to acknowledge. If we kept the same coaches and went 7-9 then the question would have more weight.
If we go 7-9 again and you think it is somehow different then the previous 4 out of 5 and what would then be 5 of 6. Ouch it is already a pattern how many more do you require than 5 of 6 seasons? Let's hope that's not the result and we win the division

Papa Voodoo 06-21-2017 10:54 AM
Re: Playoffs or bust?
 
Barring numerous injuries at key positions I don't feel we will be a 7-9 team. Our record was last year so I get that but 3 games were lost due to game winning field goals being blocked and returned for touchdowns (the Denver one was a flagrant penalty and an OOB). One is rare, 3 are exceptionally rare.

Sean and Mickey have already proved that they know what it takes to make it to the playoffs, to win in the playoffs, to make it to the Superbowl, and to win it all. They have also shown they are aware of what it takes to have a strong to dominant team consistently. They have made significant changes in the off-season and added quality players at key positions. So, the only argument I can really see is that they have become complacent. It certainly does not appear to be the case.

spkb25 06-21-2017 11:52 AM
Re: Playoffs or bust?
 
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Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 753168)
Barring numerous injuries at key positions I don't feel we will be a 7-9 team. Our record was last year so I get that but 3 games were lost due to game winning field goals being blocked and returned for touchdowns (the Denver one was a flagrant penalty and an OOB). One is rare, 3 are exceptionally rare.

Sean and Mickey have already proved that they know what it takes to make it to the playoffs, to win in the playoffs, to make it to the Superbowl, and to win it all. They have also shown they are aware of what it takes to have a strong to dominant team consistently. They have made significant changes in the off-season and added quality players at key positions. So, the only argument I can really see is that they have become complacent. It certainly does not appear to be the case.
fair arguments, but it is 3 straight seasons of 7-9, 4 of the last 5. That said I also feel we are better than last season.

K Major 06-21-2017 12:20 PM
Re: Playoffs or bust?
 
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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 753172)
fair arguments, but it is 3 straight seasons of 7-9, 4 of the last 5. That said I also feel we are better than last season.
Me too. Last season could have easily been a 10 win ball club if not for the crucial blunders on special teams that eventually cost us.

AsylumGuido 06-21-2017 12:22 PM
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We all get that there were three straight years of 7-9 records AND four in five years. Why don't you just add it to your signature so you don't have to include the fact in every other post?

But let me point something out. In each of those four seasons there were a small handful of isolated plays that were the differences between ten wins and seven. The vast majority of the games in those four seasons were very competitive. The offense was one of the top in the NFL in each of those seasons. Bad teams do not win seven games. But, that was history. This is a vastly different team in most aspects than the team in those four years. It is time to move on.

AsylumGuido 06-21-2017 02:01 PM
Re: Playoffs or bust?
 
Here is the relevant regulations in the NFLPA documentation:

B. Prohibited Conduct

Contract Advisors are prohibited from:
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(21) (a) Initiating any communication, directly or indirectly, with a player who has entered into a Standard Representation Agreement with another Contract Advisor and such Standard Representation Agreement is on file with the NFLPA if the communication concerns a matter relating to the:
(i) Player’s current Contract Advisor;
(ii) Player’s current Standard Representation Agreement;
(iii) Player’s contract status with any NFL Club(s); or
(iv) Services to be provided by prospective Contract Advisor either through a Standard Representation Agreement or otherwise.
(b) If a player, already a party to a Standard Representation Agreement, initiates communication with a Contract Advisor relating to any of the subject matters listed in Section 3(B)(21)(a) the Contract Advisor may continue communications with the Player regarding any of those matters.
(c) Section 3(B)(21) shall not apply to any player who has less than sixty (60) days remaining before his NFL Player Contract expires, and he has not yet signed a new Standard Representation Agreement with a Contract Advisor within the sixty (60) day period.

The Dude 06-21-2017 03:21 PM
Re: Playoffs or bust?
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 753079)
You are once again acting like how you perceive things can have any affect on future outcomes. You have no impact. Nothing. Nada. What you said was true ... IF we were somehow empowered to have anything to do with how the Saints franchise is run. You don't get that. Looking back at failures as a fan is doing nothing but wallowing in negativity. There can be NO positives by the action as a fan.

You, my friend, are the one that is delusional.

Delusional

adjective
1.
having false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions:
Fans believing that they have any affect on future success of their favorite franchise are delusional.
2.
Psychiatry. maintaining fixed false beliefs even when confronted with facts, usually as a result of mental illness:
He was so delusional and paranoid that he thought his constant highlighting of past failures could have any positive affect on matters totally out of his control.

Until the point in time when you become General Manager of the Saints you are spinning your wheels and pissing into the wind.

Myself, I am totally realistic. I know for a fact that there is nothing at all that I, or any other fan, can do personally to improve the fortune of my beloved Saints. Therefore, I choose to treat it as it is in reality ... entertainment. I get the most out of entertainment when looking at it in a positive manner. It makes me feel good. I can see reality.
I have not seen anyone, anywhere, post anything about being able to change the outcome of what would happen god forbid we have another losing season.
I think this is something you are making up in your head and perceiving as reality. We are talking about what we would want to happen. Again we aren't talking about passing out petitions or calling Benson and the governor demanding change.


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