Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 752797)

Dude last year over half this board was talking about firing Payton if we went 7-9 this year. A lot of those myself not included, wanted him gone then. Just because you are the eternal optimist doesn't mean you have to hate on people who are realistic.
You are a polae opposite of Willsaintswhatever. You have your ideas and if anyone else has one you don't agree with you act as their points aren't valid.
Just because we don't all think Brees will play 5 more years like you do doesn't mean we don't hope he will.

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 752766)

That's a false argument. There's only one person in the Saints organization that can demand change: Tom Benson. He treats Loomis and Payton like they are his sons. It may literally take getting a new owner for there to be a change in leadership with the Saints.



I do value your opinion. But honestly it isn't actionable. To have an impact, the entire WhoDat Nation would have to turn their back on the team and walk away. And we all know how likely that's going to happen.


Well Guido is the eternal optimist. And honestly, June, July, and August is the right time for optimism. I posit his frustration is that many refuse to take into account the positive changes and focus only on the what could have beens (Zeitler for example) and what poor outcomes are possible (such as your question) at a time when nothing can be done about either.

I think another missed point is that the schedule matters each and every season. There are divisions in the NFL that are tough sledding. Currently the AFC West (who the Saints played last year) are an excellent example. Then there are creampuffs (the NFC West is sliding back into that category). So each season part of the evaluation is sizing up the competition. This season only the AFC East is likely in the bottom 3 of divisions. And it gets complicated early on because we take on the best two teams in that division in the first 4 games under unusual circumstances (away game in London).

Here's my bottom line: the first valid team evaluation cannot occur until the first quarter of the season has been played. And this season with such a brutal start (3 away games and the Patriots at home), it may take upwards of 8,10, or even 12 games to really understand the positioning of the Saints this upcoming season.

My point (and I think Guido's too) is that it's way premature to be asking about massive changes under a what if scenario. I can easily flip it and ask:



Would your question have any validity at that point?

So let's focus on the potential. The potential of having a realtively healthy and talented secondary. The potential of having fast and well coached linebackers for the first time in a decade. The potential of a stout and deep defensive line.

We can debate the aftermath after some games have been played. But right now everyone in the NFL is 0-0 and has just as much of a chance as anyone else to get deep into the playoffs.

So why focus on the negative now?

SFIAH

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 752778)

Once again, try getting your facts straight. It would have been uncharacteristic of Brees to put something like that on social media because he never did. Brees was interviewed by Mike Nabors and Nabors posted the following tweet without any context.

https://twitter.com/MikeNabors/statu...35466431574016

Nabors later posted the following tweet explaining that the context of the quote had nothing to do with any possibility of leaving the Saints for another team. It had to do with his own career.

https://twitter.com/MikeNabors/statu...48881799593985

To further place this all in context, the interview was immediately following the final game of the season against the Falcons. Brees subsequently expressed and stressed his desire to play with the Saints well into his forties.

Do you ever research anything before you post it as fact?

:roll:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 752807)

Dude, last year a handful of people around here were talking about firing Payton. Pretty much the same few that are always griping about things anyway. First of all, there was no chance of Payton being fired in the first place which showed how little those people knew. Secondly, whether the record reflected it or not, for the past two years the franchise has been heading in the right direction. Any change at the top would thrown all of that to the wind.

Being negative and always looking at worst case scenarios is not being realistic.

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 752946)

Splitting hairs I see......

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 752948)

Splitting hairs? More like chopping trees.

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 752949)

Yeah, drew doesn't e joy losing and I noticed he didn't sign or even want to to discuss a new contract. My man might want to see what else is out there. He's not like you. He can handle reality.

Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 752737)

Playoffs or bust? Can we all agree on at least a decent pre-game show?

https://media.giphy.com/media/p6f8iNdZzrXri/giphy.gif

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 752951)