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That's a wrap?

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Ok I think the guy is just as dillusional as you do but we don't need get personal about the cancer.
He's a fan who constantly wears the b&G glasses and drinks the cool laid and probably would be among better company at SR where every player is an all pro and Brees will play till he's 50 but he's a fan.
I honestly don't think he actually believes half the stuff he says anyway. He just likes the controversy.

We miss playoffs and Brees is gone. I would put money on it. Another losing season Payton should go too but I doubt that will happen till Benson croaks.

Either way fans should expect more than just a winning season this year.

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Yea he's sure not taking it year to year just to sign one year contracts until he retires. He's also not going to come out and say "I'm taking it year to year to see what direction the team is headed before I make another big decision". He is likely not signing now to focus on this year AND make an evaluation after it's over. At his age he's taking a risk. Ink a contract now and secure his future or play out his contract knowing that if gets injured his price tag will take a huge drop or just become non existent.

Nothing about a HOF QB at his age leads me to believe he would stay with a team that produces losing seasons every year.

I do however think we will be a better team and the firing of the coaching staff tells me Payton is serious.

I think by game 4 you know the team well enough to see how the season could shake out.

The comment that said nothing I can say will change a thing is just asinine. Nobody in there right mind should take a statement like "heads to roll" and act like I thought I was going to somehow effect anything.

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Give me 2 bust please and I will be happy! Compared to our 1st 30 years I will take 7-9 for a few more. You have to remember where you came from to know how important today is and that the future is a wonderful unknown only assisted by a little guidance from us. Wishing and hoping it will happen actually does allow everything to open up to accept the desired outcome!

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I love her and if only I could get a bust or 2 like that 7-9 ain't ****e! Where's the pic of the hoola hoop girl?

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I am sorry bro but I can't get behind being subpar mediocrity. If the Pats can do what they're doing then we can too, or at least something relatively close. If we are going to go 7-9, might as well make it 1-15 and get the first pick each draft.

Let's both hope that ends this season!

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The only reason I brought that up was he brought it up in the past trying to talk about how people being negative is what makes you sick blah blah blah. I just told him I had never been sick and I am as pessimistic as they come.

Solid post though

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We've had 3 consecutive disappointing seasons.

I dont see anything wrong with a guy on a fan board starting a discussion on
when are changes warranted, and what the standard should be, should this become a 4th consecutive disappointment.

Im not switching allegiance, and in fact, I support the team in person, but this is a legit question. I dont even think The Dude is predicting doom, and I certainly dont think he WANTS it. But if Bill Parcells is right, you are what your record is, and until Sept 11, we are a 7-9 team.

I'm as excited as anyone about 2017, and I'm rooting for us to go the Super Bowl, as I have every year since 1982. I hope optimism and reality intersect.

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The Saints were 7-9 during the 2016 season. I think we can all agree that to this point the 2017 version is quite different based upon personnel, coaching and schedule. Until September 11 the Saints are 0-0.

:bng:

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Yep. The bar is set higher now since the super bowl and Benson is way more committed the last ten years than ever. We should expect winning and not just be ok with 8-8 or 9-7 seasons.
Football is football and I'll scream and cheer to the last game of an 0-16 season but as a fan base we should want Superbowls. Back then just making the playoffs was good enough because we hadn't been there. I used to consider a wild card spot as a great season. Now I know how it feels to see them win it all.

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If we can get lucky with a limited amount of injuries this season, I think this team is very capable of winning the NFC South.

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That's the equivalent of saying the Pats are no longer the SB champs or the day after we won our SB that we were no longer the champs. In all actuality until Sept. 11 we are 7-9

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The Patriots are the 2016-17 Super Bowl champs. You are correct. But, at this point when addressing the upcoming 2017-18 season, they are 0-0 just like the Saints, and for that matter, the Browns.

Last season's franchise had vastly different coaching, different players and a different schedule. They were what their record said they were ... 7-9. The upcoming team has yet to play a game. They are also what their record says they are ... "to be determined" and at this point 0-0.

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Can we field a team? Can we stay healthy?

The problem isn't three7-9 seasons......it's more like four out of the last five. And nothing really substantial for us to get excited about.

I love Payton and the coaching change along with the new personnel in the FO, but we need to start strong or finish strong to keep the fans happy.

And with us missing two of our offensive linemen I'm not excited bout our young defense having to win games because offense is losing in the trenches.

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Don't forget the theme to last off-season was how horrible the offensive line was going to be and yet it managed to be rated as one of the best in the league. I am not concerned at all with the offensive line. Unger should be back and Armstead was playing injured through most of last season. We could legitimately see a better all round line this coming season even taking the injuries into consideration.

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that was because we rsigned evans and it worked out. that was a last ditch effort that luckily paid off.

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We are 7-9 until the first second comes off the clock upon kickoff. At that point all 32 teams are 0-0. History is made up of things that have occurred, not what could have occurred. Right now they are a 7-9 team and will be until the official start of the season. It's a burden you bear for being a loser just like the honor they carried after the super bowl.

Excuse us for tempering our enthusiasm but it's been the same set of "promises" "for the last 5 years.

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You two keep living in the past. I look to the future. You dwell on the bad. I look forward to the good. You remember the recent mediocre past. I remember the Lombardi Trophy!

Go ahead and wallow in your continuous cesspool of negativity. Relish in it!

You are so sad.

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Loser attitudes. Sad ...

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The reality is that we fail in life despite our best efforts. When that happens you don't want to talk about your failure as if it is a success. You want to acknowledge how hard you fought and what you did better from the last time you failed. Then you want to work harder to succeed. Never has it worked to simply ignore your failures as if they don't exist. Doing that is delusional. You have to be honest with yourself so that you can improve. Some people on this board have an inability to do that and when others pull back that thin veil from their delusions they lash out.

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Calm down. Look at more boob and cat video's while becoming an expert on torn labrums! Concentrate on the important issues ike " Are We 7 - 9 or 0 - 0?" You know, the stuff that wins "Championships"

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You are once again acting like how you perceive things can have any affect on future outcomes. You have no impact. Nothing. Nada. What you said was true ... IF we were somehow empowered to have anything to do with how the Saints franchise is run. You don't get that. Looking back at failures as a fan is doing nothing but wallowing in negativity. There can be NO positives by the action as a fan.

You, my friend, are the one that is delusional.

Delusional

adjective
1.
having false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions:
Fans believing that they have any affect on future success of their favorite franchise are delusional.
2.
Psychiatry. maintaining fixed false beliefs even when confronted with facts, usually as a result of mental illness:
He was so delusional and paranoid that he thought his constant highlighting of past failures could have any positive affect on matters totally out of his control.

Until the point in time when you become General Manager of the Saints you are spinning your wheels and pissing into the wind.

Myself, I am totally realistic. I know for a fact that there is nothing at all that I, or any other fan, can do personally to improve the fortune of my beloved Saints. Therefore, I choose to treat it as it is in reality ... entertainment. I get the most out of entertainment when looking at it in a positive manner. It makes me feel good. I can see reality.

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No one on this board does any of these things. We simply state the true prospects of the team taking into account their recent failure. Ignoring failures isn't positive, it is delusional. :) We are 7-9 3 straight years. That is who we are until we aren't.

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No. You said you have to look back at past failures if you want to be successful. So you agree that looking at past failures, something that you are obsessed with, has no impact on the future success of our team?

You have the total right to look at the world in any manner you choose. You can believe the current roster is 7-9. Fine. Pessimistic and negative.

Myself, I look at the current roster as 0-0 at this point and with all sorts of potential. Optimistic and positive.

I am also the realist between us. I know that nothing I can do or say can affect the success of the team at all as you have been implying all along.

And disregarding failures by a professional football team in the past is what a fan should do. Why waste energy and time worrying about things that you cannot affect. It is best to look ahead and hope for the best.

Tell me, exactly what tangible anything do you have to gain by constantly referencing the negatives associated with the Saints?

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Correct and that is what people should do.That is what the Saints should do. That is what we as fans should do when discussing the Saints and our expectations. You on the other hand have stated you ignore failures and such while simply pumping sunshine. You're shallow hal, except this is real life.

Grow up Peter Pan

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lol

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I am grown up. That's why I don't dwell on negatives all the time. That in itself is childish. The statement you made above about what the Saints should do is the only one of which I could agree. And they have obviously done just that with the personnel changes they have made over the past two years.

Yes, those things that are seen from the outside as negative matters can be discussed, but you go far beyond that realm. You obsess over them and constantly bring them up again and again and again. Fine we have all heard your tired old story so many times before. Time to move on from the past. There is nothing any of us can do to change it and there is nothing any of us can do to change the future of the success of the team. You kept saying that we have to study the failure of the past so we can make the future better. That is fairy tale land there, buddy, and you finally realized it. You have changed your tune. Fine. It has been discussed by you ad nauseam.

But, back to the bold question which you ignored ...

Exactly what tangible anything do you have to gain by constantly referencing the negatives associated with the Saints?

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No, this is a lie that has already been addressed. You stated previously on here how your "positivity" helped you heal the cancer. I am just talking about what you said. It isn't negativity you seek to avoid, it is reality. You have an inability to deal with it per your own words. You live in a made up world shallow hal.

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You don't have a clue what you are talking about. Are you for real? My cancer was never "healed". It was successfully removed via surgery (along with a section of my lovely colon). Show me exactly "in my own words" where I have an inability to deal with reality. You are so full of crap. You get trapped into a corner by straight forward logic and then you turn to making up falsities.

Now, once again ...

Exactly what tangible anything do you have to gain by constantly referencing the negatives associated with the Saints?

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Using someones condition(cancer) in an argument is a sure low-blow :rolleyes:

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Not an argument. Just a debate. How it is addressed can either strengthen or weaken your position.

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I am not using his cancer, I am using what he said about his attitude toward his cancer. Hard for you to make connections I see. Not surprising really, you were one of the people to disappear during the losing last season.

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I am usually used to much higher weight classes.

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What you said about my attitude and how you presented it were completely false. You made that up.

Go to search posts made by AsylumGuido with keyword "cancer" and see if anything you claimed is correct. Hell, everyone do that. You are so full of crap.

Now you are attacking Mitch. What is your problem? You are starting to make Will(insert team name here)81 seem like a model of forum decorum.

:annoyed:

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What you're used to doing is bullying other posters on here while being condescending. I don't care for it and each chance I get I come after you. You can't bully me boss the way you do it to a few posters on here and try to get together with your little click. I don't know how you are in real life, maybe you're a nice guy, but on here you try to bully people and condescend.

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Oh, and the following ...

Exactly what tangible anything do you have to gain by constantly referencing the negatives associated with the Saints?

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And for the final time people are not being negative, they're being realistic. What part of that do you not understand.

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Oh no bro I did not. I am not going to find the post because it would take forever, but I don't know you and the only way I know you had cancer was from that post. I replied by telling you that I have never been sick and I don't pump sunshine and rainbows.