Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 753113)

What you're used to doing is bullying other posters on here while being condescending. I don't care for it and each chance I get I come after you. You can't bully me boss the way you do it to a few posters on here and try to get together with your little click. I don't know how you are in real life, maybe you're a nice guy, but on here you try to bully people and condescend.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 753117)

I am simply pointing out your negative attitude. You started this debate. So I am bullying you since I just pointed out you were wrong?

Oh ...

Exactly what tangible anything do you have to gain by constantly referencing the negatives associated with the Saints?

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 753116)

Oh no bro I did not. I am not going to find the post because it would take forever, but I don't know you and the only way I know you had cancer was from that post. I replied by telling you that I have never been sick and I don't pump sunshine and rainbows.

Originally Posted by skymike (Post 752987)

We've had 3 consecutive disappointing seasons.

I dont see anything wrong with a guy on a fan board starting a discussion on
when are changes warranted, and what the standard should be, should this become a 4th consecutive disappointment.

Im not switching allegiance, and in fact, I support the team in person, but this is a legit question. I dont even think The Dude is predicting doom, and I certainly dont think he WANTS it. But if Bill Parcells is right, you are what your record is, and until Sept 11, we are a 7-9 team.

I'm as excited as anyone about 2017, and I'm rooting for us to go the Super Bowl, as I have every year since 1982. I hope optimism and reality intersect.

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 753118)

Not me, you bully other people which is exactly what I said. You can't bully me, you have tried along with the other 3, but it doesn't work. You do it to a few other posters.

I haven't seen any negative people on here. I have seen people share their opinions and be honest. They are being realistic, pretty sure that is what this board is for. If you don't like it you will have to make a choice, like you did last year when we were losing and all the people you say are negative were still here sticking by the team. You didn't show back up until we won a few games. Typical.

You can have the last word, I am going back to discussing the Saints.

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 753029)

Can we field a team? Can we stay healthy?

The problem isn't three7-9 seasons......it's more like four out of the last five. And nothing really substantial for us to get excited about.

I love Payton and the coaching change along with the new personnel in the FO, but we need to start strong or finish strong to keep the fans happy.

And with us missing two of our offensive linemen I'm not excited bout our young defense having to win games because offense is losing in the trenches.

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 753123)

No doubt. I think Larry Holder said some similar ideas. We really need to start the season with a win. Last 3 seasons have been 0-2,0-3,0-3. We need to build some momentum.

Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 753130)

Why don't ya'll just hug it out and move on. The season can't get here fast enough.

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 752973)

Yea he's sure not taking it year to year just to sign one year contracts until he retires. He's also not going to come out and say "I'm taking it year to year to see what direction the team is headed before I make another big decision". He is likely not signing now to focus on this year AND make an evaluation after it's over. At his age he's taking a risk. Ink a contract now and secure his future or play out his contract knowing that if gets injured his price tag will take a huge drop or just become non existent.

Nothing about a HOF QB at his age leads me to believe he would stay with a team that produces losing seasons every year.

I do however think we will be a better team and the firing of the coaching staff tells me Payton is serious.

I think by game 4 you know the team well enough to see how the season could shake out.

The comment that said nothing I can say will change a thing is just asinine. Nobody in there right mind should take a statement like "heads to roll" and act like I thought I was going to somehow effect anything.

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 753138)

Drew has several businesses in the city. His kids and wife have roots here. 11 years is a long time to uproot and move to chase a Super Bowl that may not materialize in the new city. Major changes were made and heads did roll due to the mediocrity. With new coaches and players it's unfair to compare this team if it goes 7-9 to the past teams. Give them time. We have a very hard start to the season. If we go 2-2 that would be huge. 1-3 would be ok too as long as they continue to improve as the season progresses. From what I've read I think that's all Asylum has asked fellow posters to acknowledge. If we kept the same coaches and went 7-9 then the question would have more weight.

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 753138)

Drew has several businesses in the city. His kids and wife have roots here. 11 years is a long time to uproot and move to chase a Super Bowl that may not materialize in the new city. Major changes were made and heads did roll due to the mediocrity. With new coaches and players it's unfair to compare this team if it goes 7-9 to the past teams. Give them time. We have a very hard start to the season. If we go 2-2 that would be huge. 1-3 would be ok too as long as they continue to improve as the season progresses. From what I've read I think that's all Asylum has asked fellow posters to acknowledge. If we kept the same coaches and went 7-9 then the question would have more weight.

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 753168)

Barring numerous injuries at key positions I don't feel we will be a 7-9 team. Our record was last year so I get that but 3 games were lost due to game winning field goals being blocked and returned for touchdowns (the Denver one was a flagrant penalty and an OOB). One is rare, 3 are exceptionally rare.

Sean and Mickey have already proved that they know what it takes to make it to the playoffs, to win in the playoffs, to make it to the Superbowl, and to win it all. They have also shown they are aware of what it takes to have a strong to dominant team consistently. They have made significant changes in the off-season and added quality players at key positions. So, the only argument I can really see is that they have become complacent. It certainly does not appear to be the case.

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 753172)

fair arguments, but it is 3 straight seasons of 7-9, 4 of the last 5. That said I also feel we are better than last season.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 753079)

You are once again acting like how you perceive things can have any affect on future outcomes. You have no impact. Nothing. Nada. What you said was true ... IF we were somehow empowered to have anything to do with how the Saints franchise is run. You don't get that. Looking back at failures as a fan is doing nothing but wallowing in negativity. There can be NO positives by the action as a fan.

You, my friend, are the one that is delusional.

Delusional

adjective
1.
having false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions:
Fans believing that they have any affect on future success of their favorite franchise are delusional.
2.
Psychiatry. maintaining fixed false beliefs even when confronted with facts, usually as a result of mental illness:
He was so delusional and paranoid that he thought his constant highlighting of past failures could have any positive affect on matters totally out of his control.

Until the point in time when you become General Manager of the Saints you are spinning your wheels and pissing into the wind.

Myself, I am totally realistic. I know for a fact that there is nothing at all that I, or any other fan, can do personally to improve the fortune of my beloved Saints. Therefore, I choose to treat it as it is in reality ... entertainment. I get the most out of entertainment when looking at it in a positive manner. It makes me feel good. I can see reality.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 753090)

No. You said you have to look back at past failures if you want to be successful. So you agree that looking at past failures, something that you are obsessed with, has no impact on the future success of our team?

You have the total right to look at the world in any manner you choose. You can believe the current roster is 7-9. Fine. Pessimistic and negative.

Myself, I look at the current roster as 0-0 at this point and with all sorts of potential. Optimistic and positive.

I am also the realist between us. I know that nothing I can do or say can affect the success of the team at all as you have been implying all along.

And disregarding failures by a professional football team in the past is what a fan should do. Why waste energy and time worrying about things that you cannot affect. It is best to look ahead and hope for the best.

Tell me, exactly what tangible anything do you have to gain by constantly referencing the negatives associated with the Saints?

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 753099)

No, this is a lie that has already been addressed. You stated previously on here how your "positivity" helped you heal the cancer. I am just talking about what you said. It isn't negativity you seek to avoid, it is reality. You have an inability to deal with it per your own words. You live in a made up world shallow hal.

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 753189)

I have not seen anyone, anywhere, post anything about being able to change the outcome of what would happen god forbid we have another losing season.
I think this is something you are making up in your head and perceiving as reality. We are talking about what we would want to happen. Again we aren't talking about passing out petitions or calling Benson and the governor demanding change.

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 753197)

But anyway I think if we win one of the first two games we will get the taste of losing early out of our mouths and have steam to build on moving forward. Starting strong for this team this year is key, more than ever. We don't want a Groundhog Day feeling in the locker room.

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 753214)

I like to look at teams in an aspect of "what have you done lately?"

In these terms, the Saints haven't been relevant since 2013.

The patriots have 2 Super Bowl victories in that span and we have 3 consecutive 7-9 seasons.

I have no issues with Spkb bringing up the past, we have the freedom on a sports forum to discuss past failures, and that's what the Saints have been for 3 years, failures.

No amount of excuses change that, Sean Payton for instance expected a 37 year old Champ Bailey to win the starting corner job in 2014 and then had zero depth when he didn't play as expected.

You are only as good as your record says, and we are 7-9, consistently mediocre.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 753221)

So you are projecting another 7-9 this season based solely upon the past? Well, diz?

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 753222)

I'm not projecting a 7-9 season, didn't say anything of the sort.

I said we have been consistently mediocre in the past. But I have no problem reflecting on past failures and identifying where the problems lie.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 753221)

So you are projecting another 7-9 this season based solely upon the past? Well, diz?

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 753222)

I'm not projecting a 7-9 season, didn't say anything of the sort.

I said we have been consistently mediocre in the past. But I have no problem reflecting on past failures and identifying where the problems lie.

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 753228)

And that's what it is all about. You churn 3 straight 7-9 seasons, 4 of the last 5 seasons, you're on your third d coord and set a record for dead money. You don't brush that away as if it doesn't exist, didn't exist, etc. If we were making good moves those things would not have happened.

If as a fan you choose to pump sunshine and rainbows I don't have a problem with it. I think when it becomes an issue is when you go around attacking the other members of the board for talking about facts and why they're hesitant to get sucked in again and not really look at who this team is, etc. Pump sunshine all day if it tickles your fancy, but leave those with a critical view of the team to share their thoughts without being bothered.

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 753239)

Now your just putting words in peoples mouths .

Since you are so hung up on fact checking please show me how you arrived at that conclusion. Show us the quote of him saying that. Really I want to see your translation of what you think he said. What would lead you to believe that he because he values the past he must think we are going to have the same record.

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 753222)

I'm not projecting a 7-9 season, didn't say anything of the sort.

I said we have been consistently mediocre in the past. But I have no problem reflecting on past failures and identifying where the problems lie.

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 753246)

One thing I can say for sure is I specifically remember the dude and dizzle still on the board last year during the losing. We stuck with the team through the entire year, ups and downs!

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 753248)

You aren't sticking WITH the team now. You are sticking it to them. All you do is run them down.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 753247)

Bullcrap. Those two weeks I didn't post was because you posted nothing but negative venom. Non-stop. You didn't stick with the team. You lambasted them constantly. You went on and on about how they sucked. You pointed out everything that you felt was wrong with them.

Yeah, You supported them.

Sad.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 753249)

Oh, and, of course, once again, for the umpteenth time you post ...

7-9 for the last 3 years and 4 of the last 5!

Is that the only tune you know? Get over it dude. You post the same tired crap three or four times a day. Holy crap you get old.

:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 753256)

Sice we are posting such "negative venom" right now why aren't you gone? It's crap, you left because you are a fair weather fan and can't handle reality.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 753262)

Me? A fair weather fan? LOL You definitely don't know me. I have watched every televised Saints game since the team's inception. The games I couldn't watch I was glued to a radio listening to every play when the games were available. Those games I couldn't get on radio (no computers back then) I found another game that was giving some sort of updates. When Sunday ticket became available I was among the first to get the package. Now I NEVER miss watching my Saints.

I have checked in to this site numerous times every day since I joined almost ten years ago. Before that I was a daily visitor at "that other forum" since July of 2004. Had to leave that cesspool when I found this great site.

I have been right there giving my heart and soul to my Saints win or lose.

Fair weather fan? Do you have a clue what that is even?

fair-weather fan
A person who is supportive of and enthusiastic about a sports team only when that team is performing well. I've been rooting for the home team in their playoff run, but I'll admit I'm just a fair-weather fan.

I am the opposite of a fair weather fan. I am ALWAYS supportive of and enthusiastic about my Saints whether they are winning or losing.

A fair weather fan would be critical and unenthusiastic about a team when it isn't winning. That my friend describes the three of you to a tee.