Sheldon Rankins has chance to be more effective than Nick Fairley

07-08-2017, 10:39 AM

Thought SR had flashes last year. I don't like when an article or anyone for that matters somehow tries to pretend that losing someone is beneficial. (unless we are talking about Brandon Browner)There is a reason we gave him a contract, there is a reason he was a starter. Spare me that flawed logic.

What I will say is that I hope we can at least cover up the loss with McDaniel, and SR putting together something close to what we saw from Nick. So can we overcome it, sure, is it beneficial we lost NF for the year, no.

AsylumGuido · 07-08-2017, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Thought SR had flashes last year. I don't like when an article or anyone for that matters somehow tries to pretend that losing someone is beneficial. (unless we are talking about Brandon Browner)There is a reason we gave him a contract, there is a reason he was a starter. Spare me that flawed logic.

What I will say is that I hope we can at least cover up the loss with McDaniel, and SR putting together something close to what we saw from Nick. So can we overcome it, sure, is it beneficial we lost NF for the year, no.

I don't think the article or anyone is saying that it is beneficial as a whole to have lost Fairley. It is, however, most likely to be beneficial in the quicker development of Rankins and the other young DT's. Finding a silver lining in a cloud is not the same thing as totally ignoring the cloud. We lost Fairley and there is nothing that can be done about that fact. Why not look for any positive affects of the situation to build upon?

spkb25 · 07-08-2017, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I don't think the article or anyone is saying that it is beneficial as a whole to have lost Fairley. It is, however, most likely to be beneficial in the quicker development of Rankins and the other young DT's. Finding a silver lining in a cloud is not the same thing as totally ignoring the cloud. We lost Fairley and there is nothing that can be done about that fact. Why not look for any positive affects of the situation to build upon?

Because I don't think there is anything positive about it. That's the point. There is nothing good about losing starters. We have to move on and that is a fact of life, especially in the NFL. I think we can be okay and I actually applaud the quick work of the front office to look for and find what appears to be a very solid signing in McDaniel. So can we overcome it, yes, but I don't see anything positive about it. It is what it is, as they say, but that doesn't mean I need to find the good. We just need to look at what we have and discuss if it will be enough etc.

AsylumGuido · 07-08-2017, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Because I don't think there is anything positive about it. That's the point. There is nothing good about losing starters. We have to move on and that is a fact of life, especially in the NFL. I think we can be okay and I actually applaud the quick work of the front office to look for and find what appears to be a very solid signing in McDaniel. So can we overcome it, yes, but I don't see anything positive about it. It is what it is, as they say, but that doesn't mean I need to find the good. We just need to look at what we have and discuss if it will be enough etc.

So you see nothing positive about Rankins and Onyemata getting extra work and progressing faster? If you don't it is because you are turning a blind eye toward it. Our minister preached a sermon on this very subject just two weeks ago. Bad things happen in life but in almost every scenario something can be found to embrace. Lessons can be learned. Opportunities can be discovered.

Finding the good, finding the positive is a choice. It isn't that it isn't there. You personally simply choose to ignore it.

The Dude · 07-08-2017, 01:19 PM

I hope so given his draft position. Fairly was a good player for us and all but he would be a back up on most other teams.

K Major · 07-08-2017, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Fairly was a good player for us and all but he would be a back up on most other teams.

AsylumGuido · 07-08-2017, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I wasn't even going to waste my time with that one.

hagan714 · 07-08-2017, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Another one of several issues I had with giving Fairley an extension was that I felt both he and Rankins were the same position...

And that posed a road block of sorts to Rankins being able to justify his high selection in the draft last season...

I understood they were used together on passing plays quite a bit, but we really need that massive NT to tye up two interior blockers...

And that'd allow Rankins to be our Aaron Donald type of disrupting 3-tech shortening that clock for the opposing offense to get a play off...

With two disrupters, if one gets hot, then they could simply swing their protection over to the hot pass rusher...

With the big NT, if you tried to pass-block him with just a center, you could potentially get your quarterback killed Jim Burt style...

Yep we need a run stuffing, block eating NT that can push the pocket and free him up.

Lotulelei Star is to Kawann Short

as

???????? is to Sheldon Rankins

Rankins will only be as good as the players around him.

AsylumGuido · 07-08-2017, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Yep we need a run stuffing, block eating NT that can push the pocket and free him up.

Lotulelei Star is to Kawann Short

as

???????? is to Sheldon Rankins

Rankins will only be as good as the players around him.

Where is that tree from which they are plucked?

ChrisXVI · 07-08-2017, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Yep we need a run stuffing, block eating NT that can push the pocket and free him up.

Lotulelei Star is to Kawann Short

as

???????? is to Sheldon Rankins

Rankins will only be as good as the players around him.

Da'Ron Payne*, NT, Alabama
Height: 6-2. Weight: 319.
Projected 40 Time: 5.10.
Projected Round (2018): 1-2.
4/13/17: Scouts who have looked ahead to the 2018 class have raved about Payne's potential. Coming from Alabama, it isn't a stretch as Payne could take on the lead role for the Crimson Tide with Jonathan Allen moving on to the NFL. Payne is a run plugger with a lot of potential to grow.

Christian Wilkins*, NT, Clemson
Height: 6-4. Weight: 310.
Projected 40 Time: 5.00.
Projected Round (2018): 1-3.
4/13/17: Wilkins played well for Clemson in 2016 as part of a tough defensive line that controlled the point of attack. The sophomore recorded 48 tackles with 13 tackles for a loss, 3.5 sacks and 10 passes batted. Wilkins made 33 tackles and two sacks as a freshman in 2015. He has a nice skill set with upside.

Vita Vea*, NT, Washington
Height: 6-5. Weight: 332.
Projected 40 Time: 5.20.
Projected Round (2018): 1-3.
4/13/17: Vea was a load at the point of attack for Washington in 2016. He totaled 39 tackles with 6.5 tackles for a loss, five sacks, one force fumble and two passes batted. Vea has a serious combination of size, length, strength, and quickness at the point of attack.

07-08-2017, 10:39 AM	#11
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07-08-2017, 11:19 AM	#12
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,241	Re: Sheldon Rankins has chance to be more effective than Nick Fairley Originally Posted by spkb25 Thought SR had flashes last year. I don't like when an article or anyone for that matters somehow tries to pretend that losing someone is beneficial. (unless we are talking about Brandon Browner)There is a reason we gave him a contract, there is a reason he was a starter. Spare me that flawed logic. What I will say is that I hope we can at least cover up the loss with McDaniel, and SR putting together something close to what we saw from Nick. So can we overcome it, sure, is it beneficial we lost NF for the year, no. I don't think the article or anyone is saying that it is beneficial as a whole to have lost Fairley. It is, however, most likely to be beneficial in the quicker development of Rankins and the other young DT's. Finding a silver lining in a cloud is not the same thing as totally ignoring the cloud. We lost Fairley and there is nothing that can be done about that fact. Why not look for any positive affects of the situation to build upon? Rugby Saint II likes this.

07-08-2017, 11:33 AM	#13
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: Sheldon Rankins has chance to be more effective than Nick Fairley Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I don't think the article or anyone is saying that it is beneficial as a whole to have lost Fairley. It is, however, most likely to be beneficial in the quicker development of Rankins and the other young DT's. Finding a silver lining in a cloud is not the same thing as totally ignoring the cloud. We lost Fairley and there is nothing that can be done about that fact. Why not look for any positive affects of the situation to build upon? Because I don't think there is anything positive about it. That's the point. There is nothing good about losing starters. We have to move on and that is a fact of life, especially in the NFL. I think we can be okay and I actually applaud the quick work of the front office to look for and find what appears to be a very solid signing in McDaniel. So can we overcome it, yes, but I don't see anything positive about it. It is what it is, as they say, but that doesn't mean I need to find the good. We just need to look at what we have and discuss if it will be enough etc.
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07-08-2017, 11:58 AM	#14
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,241	Re: Sheldon Rankins has chance to be more effective than Nick Fairley Originally Posted by spkb25 Because I don't think there is anything positive about it. That's the point. There is nothing good about losing starters. We have to move on and that is a fact of life, especially in the NFL. I think we can be okay and I actually applaud the quick work of the front office to look for and find what appears to be a very solid signing in McDaniel. So can we overcome it, yes, but I don't see anything positive about it. It is what it is, as they say, but that doesn't mean I need to find the good. We just need to look at what we have and discuss if it will be enough etc. So you see nothing positive about Rankins and Onyemata getting extra work and progressing faster? If you don't it is because you are turning a blind eye toward it. Our minister preached a sermon on this very subject just two weeks ago. Bad things happen in life but in almost every scenario something can be found to embrace. Lessons can be learned. Opportunities can be discovered. Finding the good, finding the positive is a choice. It isn't that it isn't there. You personally simply choose to ignore it. WhoDatLucky likes this.

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07-08-2017, 04:48 PM	#16
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07-08-2017, 05:17 PM	#18
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Sheldon Rankins has chance to be more effective than Nick Fairley Originally Posted by jeanpierre Another one of several issues I had with giving Fairley an extension was that I felt both he and Rankins were the same position... And that posed a road block of sorts to Rankins being able to justify his high selection in the draft last season... I understood they were used together on passing plays quite a bit, but we really need that massive NT to tye up two interior blockers... And that'd allow Rankins to be our Aaron Donald type of disrupting 3-tech shortening that clock for the opposing offense to get a play off... With two disrupters, if one gets hot, then they could simply swing their protection over to the hot pass rusher... With the big NT, if you tried to pass-block him with just a center, you could potentially get your quarterback killed Jim Burt style... Yep we need a run stuffing, block eating NT that can push the pocket and free him up. Lotulelei Star is to Kawann Short as ???????? is to Sheldon Rankins Rankins will only be as good as the players around him. Rugby Saint II likes this.

07-08-2017, 05:32 PM	#19
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,241	Re: Sheldon Rankins has chance to be more effective than Nick Fairley Originally Posted by hagan714 Yep we need a run stuffing, block eating NT that can push the pocket and free him up. Lotulelei Star is to Kawann Short as ???????? is to Sheldon Rankins Rankins will only be as good as the players around him. Where is that tree from which they are plucked? jeanpierre likes this.

07-08-2017, 06:45 PM	#20
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Sheldon Rankins has chance to be more effective than Nick Fairley Originally Posted by hagan714 Yep we need a run stuffing, block eating NT that can push the pocket and free him up. Lotulelei Star is to Kawann Short as ???????? is to Sheldon Rankins Rankins will only be as good as the players around him. *Da'Ron Payne, NT, Alabama Height: 6-2. Weight: 319. Projected 40 Time: 5.10. Projected Round (2018): 1-2. 4/13/17: Scouts who have looked ahead to the 2018 class have raved about Payne's potential. Coming from Alabama, it isn't a stretch as Payne could take on the lead role for the Crimson Tide with Jonathan Allen moving on to the NFL. Payne is a run plugger with a lot of potential to grow. Christian Wilkins, NT, Clemson* Height: 6-4. Weight: 310. Projected 40 Time: 5.00. Projected Round (2018): 1-3. 4/13/17: Wilkins played well for Clemson in 2016 as part of a tough defensive line that controlled the point of attack. The sophomore recorded 48 tackles with 13 tackles for a loss, 3.5 sacks and 10 passes batted. Wilkins made 33 tackles and two sacks as a freshman in 2015. He has a nice skill set with upside. *Vita Vea, NT, Washington** Height: 6-5. Weight: 332. Projected 40 Time: 5.20. Projected Round (2018): 1-3. 4/13/17: Vea was a load at the point of attack for Washington in 2016. He totaled 39 tackles with 6.5 tackles for a loss, five sacks, one force fumble and two passes batted. Vea has a serious combination of size, length, strength, and quickness at the point of attack. hagan714 and Rugby Saint II like this.
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