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MIckey Loomis on Nick Fairley's condition: 'The time of the discovery wasn't great for us nor for him'

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by jeanpierre Guido, I respectfully disagree... This was a known condition of Fairley's that obviously has worsened; irregardless, I'd made sure his pre-contract physical was more in-depth with regards to the cardiology component of the examination; and had ...

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Old 07-17-2017, 03:03 PM   #1
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Re: MIckey Loomis on Nick Fairley's condition: 'The time of the discovery wasn't great for us nor for him'

Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
Guido, I respectfully disagree...

This was a known condition of Fairley's that obviously has worsened; irregardless, I'd made sure his pre-contract physical was more in-depth with regards to the cardiology component of the examination; and had language for the preexisting condition or decline in same...

Far too often we've signed guys either knowing there was some injury and disregarded its severity or someone or some group of medical professionals that the Saints continue to use has once again failed to do their due diligence in examining players...

It's not that in one case that a doctor has missed something and Loomis & FO should be hung out to dry, it's that it seems to be happening more often than it should; and that is on Loomis & the FO people for continuing to use an unreliable medical group (OHP)...
All very valid points
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Re: MIckey Loomis on Nick Fairley's condition: 'The time of the discovery wasn't great for us nor for him'

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All very valid points
Name that long list of free agents sign by the Saints with a history of injuries that was overlooked.

And also name the list of free agent or returning player signings that turned out bad.

I'll start them out.

Injury
Jarius Byrd
Nick Fairley

Contracts gone bad (non-injury history)
Junior Galette
Brandon Browner

Perhaps Keenen Lewis, but I am not sure which category he would fall into. His injury problems began after his big contract, yet he was let go early resulting in the same cap hit.
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Re: MIckey Loomis on Nick Fairley's condition: 'The time of the discovery wasn't great for us nor for him'

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Name that long list of free agents sign by the Saints with a history of injuries that was overlooked.

And also name the list of free agent or returning player signings that turned out bad.

I'll start them out.

Injury
Jarius Byrd
Nick Fairley

Contracts gone bad (non-injury history)
Junior Galette
Brandon Browner

Perhaps Keenen Lewis, but I am not sure which category he would fall into. His injury problems began after his big contract, yet he was let go early resulting in the same cap hit.
Jimmy Graham.

Edit: And CJ Spiller, his contract was exactly the same as Ingrams.
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Re: MIckey Loomis on Nick Fairley's condition: 'The time of the discovery wasn't great for us nor for him'

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Jimmy Graham.

Edit: And CJ Spiller, his contract was exactly the same as Ingrams.
How was Jimmy Graham a bad contract by the front office? It did result in a cap hit of sorts, but that was because Seattle demanded Graham instead of Stills as Payton had originally offered in trade.

But, for arguments sake, include those. That brings us up to what, seven, although only one dealt with players with injury histories of which we were originally comparing Fairley's situation. But, let's see. Seven contracts out of how many in twelve years of Loomis/Payton? How many contracts were negotiated over that period? Perhaps twenty per year in one form or another? That would be roughly 250 contracts. Seven gone bad out of that number isn't what I would call an epidemic.

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Re: MIckey Loomis on Nick Fairley's condition: 'The time of the discovery wasn't great for us nor for him'

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How was Jimmy Graham a bad contract by the front office? It did result in a cap hit of sorts, but that was because Seattle demanded Graham instead of Stills as Payton had originally offered in trade.

But, for arguments sake, include those. That brings us up to what, seven, although only one dealt with players with injury histories of which we were originally comparing Fairley's situation. But, let's see. Seven contracts out of how many in twelve years of Loomis/Payton? How many contracts were negotiated over that period? Perhaps twenty per year in one form or another? That would be roughly 250 contracts. Seven gone bad out of that number isn't what I would call an epidemic.
You've just answered your own question.
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You've just answered your own question.
But the jury is still out on whether or not the move was of worth. Cap hits have to be factored into all decisions and cannot be looked at in a vacuum. I think most around here though see Unger and what turned into Anthony may turn out to be more valuable than what has turned into a constantly injured Graham.
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