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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; This article verifies that Fairley's condition was something new after the physical that he passed at the time of his contract signing. It states that a "team doctor noticed an irregularity with his heart at some point after the physical ...
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Re: MIckey Loomis on Nick Fairley's condition: 'The time of the discovery wasn't great for us nor for him'
This article verifies that Fairley's condition was something new after the physical that he passed at the time of his contract signing. It states that a "team doctor noticed an irregularity with his heart at some point after the physical he took to sign his new contract in March."
I know some around here have put the blame on the Saints front office, but they did their due diligence and it was just bad luck that something new was found later. |
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Re: MIckey Loomis on Nick Fairley's condition: 'The time of the discovery wasn't great for us nor for him'
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido
Guido, I respectfully disagree...![]()
This was a known condition of Fairley's that obviously has worsened; irregardless, I'd made sure his pre-contract physical was more in-depth with regards to the cardiology component of the examination; and had language for the preexisting condition or decline in same... Far too often we've signed guys either knowing there was some injury and disregarded its severity or someone or some group of medical professionals that the Saints continue to use has once again failed to do their due diligence in examining players... It's not that in one case that a doctor has missed something and Loomis & FO should be hung out to dry, it's that it seems to be happening more often than it should; and that is on Loomis & the FO people for continuing to use an unreliable medical group (OHP)... |
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Re: MIckey Loomis on Nick Fairley's condition: 'The time of the discovery wasn't great for us nor for him'
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
You are making an assumption there, JP, that it was his existing condition and was worsening. I have read otherwise that it was arrhythmia. That isn't something that is easily missed. It is very apparent when the heart beat is irregular and could not have been missed in the earlier physical. In doing some reading I have found out that arrhythmia can occur in even a healthy heart, although it is most likely more common with some other heart related issue. It could have been brought on by combinations of factors including diet and exercise, two things most likely to have been affected at the beginning of OTA's when the condition was discovered.![]()
Now I don't know how reliable this information is either, but coupled with wording involving a "new" condition being found in early releases it does make sense. |
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Re: MIckey Loomis on Nick Fairley's condition: 'The time of the discovery wasn't great for us nor for him'
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido
Agreed, that's fair point that it another cardiac condition; nonetheless, you can have parallel and secondary conditions develop (i.e. a hip flares up for overcompensation for knee injury, ankle stress from a Lisfranc); because of one ongoing issue, it just seems it would be even more prudent to have a full cardiac workup, of the type that you literally have millions of dollars invested, with several cardiologist involved, would have caught something that only reared just a few weeks later?!?![]()
Personal Experience: I know when my late Father began to have heart problems from a prior misdiagnosed heart attack, his cardiologist that I'd befriended a couple of years before as our children were in the same class, school took his time and caught a number of things going on with Dad and probably added those eight years with his granddaughter (my child) because he really took his time and didn't "process" Dad like a piece of meat (of course, my Dad had that type of affect on people); and my Dad probably would have lived longer had that same cardiologist not moved away and we got stuck with a jerk who mailed it in one day and missed my Dad in the middle of a cardiac episode... There just seems to be a higher number of these types of reports with the Saints than some of these other franchises and I can't help but wonder if there's not a systematic dysfunction that needs to be addressed... Eric Asher, a local radio and television reporter has addressed this issue on both his shows and granted, while he's no cardiologist, he's taken an awful risk to his stock and his broadcasters' stock to call out Ochsners Sports and Health to highlight this problem... I intend on calling in to his next show when two certain reporters are on to see if there isn't a few players having concers as well... |
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Re: MIckey Loomis on Nick Fairley's condition: 'The time of the discovery wasn't great for us nor for him'
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
To this I agree completely. That's why I suspect a total range of testing did take place concerning his cardiac condition. And that is what leads me to believe even more that the condition is arrhythmia which can arise at any moment. The heart can suddenly slow down, speed up, or become sporadic without any warning. That would explain Loomis' comment concerning timing.![]()
I can understand your predisposition toward Oschner and all. As a point of full disclosure, my eldest son is an employee of the Oschner health system as the head coach at their fitness facility in Elmwood. |
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Re: MIckey Loomis on Nick Fairley's condition: 'The time of the discovery wasn't great for us nor for him'
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
All very valid points
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Re: MIckey Loomis on Nick Fairley's condition: 'The time of the discovery wasn't great for us nor for him'
Name that long list of free agents sign by the Saints with a history of injuries that was overlooked.
And also name the list of free agent or returning player signings that turned out bad. I'll start them out. Injury Jarius Byrd Nick Fairley Contracts gone bad (non-injury history) Junior Galette Brandon Browner Perhaps Keenen Lewis, but I am not sure which category he would fall into. His injury problems began after his big contract, yet he was let go early resulting in the same cap hit. |
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Re: MIckey Loomis on Nick Fairley's condition: 'The time of the discovery wasn't great for us nor for him'
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido
Jimmy Graham.![]()
Edit: And CJ Spiller, his contract was exactly the same as Ingrams. |
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Re: MIckey Loomis on Nick Fairley's condition: 'The time of the discovery wasn't great for us nor for him'
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How was Jimmy Graham a bad contract by the front office? It did result in a cap hit of sorts, but that was because Seattle demanded Graham instead of Stills as Payton had originally offered in trade.![]()
But, for arguments sake, include those. That brings us up to what, seven, although only one dealt with players with injury histories of which we were originally comparing Fairley's situation. But, let's see. Seven contracts out of how many in twelve years of Loomis/Payton? How many contracts were negotiated over that period? Perhaps twenty per year in one form or another? That would be roughly 250 contracts. Seven gone bad out of that number isn't what I would call an epidemic. |
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Re: MIckey Loomis on Nick Fairley's condition: 'The time of the discovery wasn't great for us nor for him'
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido
You've just answered your own question.
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