Single most important factor for the offense

GumboBC · 04-01-2005, 01:20 PM

We love to watch the ball, and so we do. And most of the talk, then, winds up being about the guys who catch it, run with it, and (most importantly) throw it.

Indeed, talk of the Saints' offense always centers around Joe Horn, Deuce McAllister, Donte' Stallworth, and Aaron Brooks.

But write this down - the single most important factor in the Saints offense will be the five guys who never touch the ball.

An offensive line that struggled for long stretches last season has added a new part - RT Jermane Mayberry. And the coaches are really hoping for a resurgence from LT Wayne Gandy, who really struggled much of the time. Some of Gandys struggles were due to injury, however.

It always comes down to the guys up front. If they don't get the job done, you can't get the ball to skill guys.

The offensive line needs to improve on last season, that much is a given. Without that, whether McAllister can hold up, whether Horn has another probowl season and whether Brooks is poised to jump to the elite level are questions that won't matter so much.

Either the Saints' offensive line plays much better in '05, or the offense struggles. Period. So watch the ball - if you dare - but know that if the guys who run it, catch it and throw it don't have the time and the room to operate, this whole thing gets a lot harder.

In any game, at any level, the story is told by the offensive and defensive lines. That's football. That's the way it works.

WhoDat · 04-01-2005, 01:35 PM

Think we could go one day without a prophecy or editorial? LOL.

GumboBC · 04-01-2005, 01:46 PM

Think we could go one day without a prophecy or editorial? LOL.

Well, it\'s either that or you can hear my \"mock\" draft?

spkb25 · 04-01-2005, 08:18 PM

gumbo i have been saying that for a while now

mutineer10 · 04-01-2005, 08:53 PM

But write this down - the single most important factor in the Saints offense will be the five guys who never touch the ball.

Not so fast ... Gandy may snatch a few more laterals this season, too! :P

saintz08 · 04-01-2005, 09:28 PM

But write this down - the single most important factor in the Saints offense will be the five guys who never touch the ball.

So this is who ????

2 Guards
2 Tackles
1 Tight End

Center touches the ball more then the QB .....

This should really fuel the Jake debate , considering he sat behind one of the top 5 worst offensive lines last year and still managed to come up with an 87.3 rating , better than Brooks at 79.5 .

[Edited on 2/4/2005 by saintz08]

WhoDat · 04-01-2005, 09:52 PM

Hhhmmm. That\'s interesting 08. Who was his RB? Oh yeah, they all go thurt and their starting RB was really a FB. And MM had, what, 5 more yards than Horn. Who was their sencond WR? I don\'t even know. That is interesting. LOL.

JKool · 04-01-2005, 09:57 PM

It isn\'t that interesting, is it?

I agree that the play of our line, which was inconsistent (at best) is very important to our improvement. However, it seems to me the inconsistent play at RB, TE, and QB are equally troubling.

While every play begins in the trenches, it is easy to see how these other areas can benefit from improved line play. However, it isn\'t clear to me that the inconsistent play at those other positions is merely the result of inconsistency of the line play. Thus, improvement in all areas may well be required.

What kind of analysis are you looking for here. If the line plays better, we will play better as a team. Is there anyone who disagrees with that?

saintz08 · 04-01-2005, 11:22 PM

Hhhmmm. That\'s interesting 08.

Nah

But here is the interesting part ......

Carolina had no 1000 yard receivers in both 2001 and 2002 this despite both Smith and Moose on the roster .

Jake Delhomme steps in under center in 2003 and suddenly the 1000 yard receiver reappears .......

.... And like a magic rabbit out of a hat , another one in 2004 ....

Now despite being behind an inferior front line to the one Brooks was behind , Jake managed to put up a better rating than Brooks .....

Now here comes the interesting part ......

Hassteroid thought it was better to play an injured Brooks in the play off race then a healthy Delhomme ....

GumboBC · 04-02-2005, 12:10 PM

It isn\'t that interesting, is it?

I agree that the play of our line, which was inconsistent (at best) is very important to our improvement. However, it seems to me the inconsistent play at RB, TE, and QB are equally troubling.

While every play begins in the trenches, it is easy to see how these other areas can benefit from improved line play. However, it isn\'t clear to me that the inconsistent play at those other positions is merely the result of inconsistency of the line play. Thus, improvement in all areas may well be required.

What kind of analysis are you looking for here. If the line plays better, we will play better as a team. Is there anyone who disagrees with that?

JKool --

My point is a very simple one:

Point -- If our offensive line doesn\'t play better it won\'t matter so much what the \"skill\" players do.

Sure, Brooks, Decue, and just about every one else needs to play better, but even if all of them step up and they are still playing behind a terrible offensive line then I think it won\'t really make much difference.

[Edited on 2/4/2005 by GumboBC]

04-01-2005, 01:20 PM	#1
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Single most important factor for the offense We love to watch the ball, and so we do. And most of the talk, then, winds up being about the guys who catch it, run with it, and (most importantly) throw it. Indeed, talk of the Saints' offense always centers around Joe Horn, Deuce McAllister, Donte' Stallworth, and Aaron Brooks. But write this down - the single most important factor in the Saints offense will be the five guys who never touch the ball. An offensive line that struggled for long stretches last season has added a new part - RT Jermane Mayberry. And the coaches are really hoping for a resurgence from LT Wayne Gandy, who really struggled much of the time. Some of Gandys struggles were due to injury, however. It always comes down to the guys up front. If they don't get the job done, you can't get the ball to skill guys. The offensive line needs to improve on last season, that much is a given. Without that, whether McAllister can hold up, whether Horn has another probowl season and whether Brooks is poised to jump to the elite level are questions that won't matter so much. Either the Saints' offensive line plays much better in '05, or the offense struggles. Period. So watch the ball - if you dare - but know that if the guys who run it, catch it and throw it don't have the time and the room to operate, this whole thing gets a lot harder. In any game, at any level, the story is told by the offensive and defensive lines. That's football. That's the way it works.
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04-01-2005, 01:35 PM	#2
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04-01-2005, 01:46 PM	#3
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Single most important factor for the offense Think we could go one day without a prophecy or editorial? LOL. Well, it\'s either that or you can hear my \"mock\" draft?
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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Single most important factor for the offense gumbo i have been saying that for a while now

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04-01-2005, 09:28 PM	#6
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Single most important factor for the offense But write this down - the single most important factor in the Saints offense will be the five guys who never touch the ball. So this is who ???? 2 Guards 2 Tackles 1 Tight End Center touches the ball more then the QB ..... This should really fuel the Jake debate , considering he sat behind one of the top 5 worst offensive lines last year and still managed to come up with an 87.3 rating , better than Brooks at 79.5 . [Edited on 2/4/2005 by saintz08]
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04-01-2005, 09:52 PM	#7
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Single most important factor for the offense Hhhmmm. That\'s interesting 08. Who was his RB? Oh yeah, they all go thurt and their starting RB was really a FB. And MM had, what, 5 more yards than Horn. Who was their sencond WR? I don\'t even know. That is interesting. LOL.
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04-01-2005, 09:57 PM	#8
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Single most important factor for the offense It isn\'t that interesting, is it? I agree that the play of our line, which was inconsistent (at best) is very important to our improvement. However, it seems to me the inconsistent play at RB, TE, and QB are equally troubling. While every play begins in the trenches, it is easy to see how these other areas can benefit from improved line play. However, it isn\'t clear to me that the inconsistent play at those other positions is merely the result of inconsistency of the line play. Thus, improvement in all areas may well be required. What kind of analysis are you looking for here. If the line plays better, we will play better as a team. Is there anyone who disagrees with that?
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04-01-2005, 11:22 PM	#9
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Single most important factor for the offense Hhhmmm. That\'s interesting 08. Nah But here is the interesting part ...... Carolina had no 1000 yard receivers in both 2001 and 2002 this despite both Smith and Moose on the roster . Jake Delhomme steps in under center in 2003 and suddenly the 1000 yard receiver reappears ....... .... And like a magic rabbit out of a hat , another one in 2004 .... Now despite being behind an inferior front line to the one Brooks was behind , Jake managed to put up a better rating than Brooks ..... Now here comes the interesting part ...... Hassteroid thought it was better to play an injured Brooks in the play off race then a healthy Delhomme ....
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	\"Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn\'t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.\" - George S. Patton On another note, I\'ll take a bite of that crow 08. - Saintfan Brooks is a moron!! - Halo

04-02-2005, 12:10 PM	#10
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Single most important factor for the offense It isn\'t that interesting, is it? I agree that the play of our line, which was inconsistent (at best) is very important to our improvement. However, it seems to me the inconsistent play at RB, TE, and QB are equally troubling. While every play begins in the trenches, it is easy to see how these other areas can benefit from improved line play. However, it isn\'t clear to me that the inconsistent play at those other positions is merely the result of inconsistency of the line play. Thus, improvement in all areas may well be required. What kind of analysis are you looking for here. If the line plays better, we will play better as a team. Is there anyone who disagrees with that? JKool -- My point is a very simple one: Point -- If our offensive line doesn\'t play better it won\'t matter so much what the \"skill\" players do. Sure, Brooks, Decue, and just about every one else needs to play better, but even if all of them step up and they are still playing behind a terrible offensive line then I think it won\'t really make much difference. [Edited on 2/4/2005 by GumboBC]
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