2017 New Orleans Saints Training Camp

jnormand · 08-12-2017, 01:00 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Well, the Bills are going on 17 years, the Browns are going on 14 years, the Rams are going on 12 years, the Jags and the Bucs are going on 9 years, Titans are going on 8 years...

Exactly!!! Good hell guys, at least we're perennial bottom dwellers.

spkb25 · 08-12-2017, 01:44 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Well, the Bills are going on 17 years, the Browns are going on 14 years, the Rams are going on 12 years, the Jags and the Bucs are going on 9 years, Titans are going on 8 years...

So you're advocating for that?We have 4 of the last 5. How many do you enjoy if it doesn't stop this year?

spkb25 · 08-12-2017, 01:47 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Exactly!!! Good hell guys, at least we're perennial bottom dwellers.

Exactly? I don't understand this logic bro. I really don't. Embrace the suck because it could be worse. At least we're mediocre each year and fairly average. Needs to end this year or he needs a new sideline to patrol.

Utah_Saint · 08-12-2017, 02:34 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

So you're advocating for that?We have 4 of the last 5. How many do you enjoy if it doesn't stop this year?

I didn't advocate for anything. You asked how long rebuilding takes and I listed the some of the current playoff droughts.

But since you asked...In my mind, hiring a new head coach in the NFL is a hit or miss thing, and it seems to me, it misses more often than not. How many seasons do you give a new coach to turn things around? Two, three years? And if that coach doesn't work, how many years do you give the next guy? I'm more confident in Payton than I am in an unknown.

We've talked about it on here dozens of times this offseason how close some of those games were last year. 3 busted special teams plays from being 10-6 instead of 7-9. I don't know how long I'll be happy with losing seasons but the team is still competitive so I'm happy for now. Who knows though, if the Saints go 4-12 this season, losing by 20 every game or if it seems he's lost control of the team, I'll probably be on the "fire Payton" bandwagon, but for now, I'm not there yet.

dizzle88 · 08-12-2017, 03:13 AM

Ghe difference between us and those teams such as Bucs, Titans, Jags, Browns etc is they do not have a HOF QB.

We have been completely incapable of giving our HOF QB any sort of defensive help.

On 2 occasions we have traded his best receiver and got pretty much zero positive results from it.

I'm already starting to think Lattimore was the wrong pick, we should have focused upfront and drafted Barnett or someone like that.

spkb25 · 08-12-2017, 03:57 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Ghe difference between us and those teams such as Bucs, Titans, Jags, Browns etc is they do not have a HOF QB.

We have been completely incapable of giving our HOF QB any sort of defensive help.

On 2 occasions we have traded his best receiver and got pretty much zero positive results from it.

I'm already starting to think Lattimore was the wrong pick, we should have focused upfront and drafted Barnett or someone like that.

Yep! How many suck years have the Patties had? How many suck years did Indy have when Manning was there? we're rocking 7-9.

Bucs got a pretty good QB in the making down there and they nearly made the playoffs last year. Titans seemed to have a pretty good QB in the making, i think they'll fight for a spot too this year.

Tell you what is scary, 3 of this years drafts picks are hurt with one coming back to the lineup today. Our secondary was 50% down 10 days into camp. Did Rankins play in the Browns game? Never even heard his name called. Then you have to worry that his success last year came because Nick was eating double teams.

I feel we have more talent and the excuses for SP are over. This year is playoffs or bust.

spkb25 · 08-12-2017, 03:59 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

I didn't advocate for anything. You asked how long rebuilding takes and I listed the some of the current playoff droughts.

But since you asked...In my mind, hiring a new head coach in the NFL is a hit or miss thing, and it seems to me, it misses more often than not. How many seasons do you give a new coach to turn things around? Two, three years? And if that coach doesn't work, how many years do you give the next guy? I'm more confident in Payton than I am in an unknown.

We've talked about it on here dozens of times this offseason how close some of those games were last year. 3 busted special teams plays from being 10-6 instead of 7-9. I don't know how long I'll be happy with losing seasons but the team is still competitive so I'm happy for now. Who knows though, if the Saints go 4-12 this season, losing by 20 every game or if it seems he's lost control of the team, I'll probably be on the "fire Payton" bandwagon, but for now, I'm not there yet.

7-9 gets you the 11th pick in the draft, two years running I might add. Thats not competitive. It's not even average, that would be 16th pick.

Let's see what happens this season. I really am hoping for success because losing sucks anymore. 7-9 again and he needs pound pavement

dizzle88 · 08-12-2017, 04:43 AM

I've got a feeling Lattimore is going to be out for months, I really hope not but he hasn't practiced or been seen since the injury.

spkb25 · 08-12-2017, 04:57 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I've got a feeling Lattimore is going to be out for months, I really hope not but he hasn't practiced or been seen since the injury.

yeah, did you see the video someone posted of how he landed on his knee?

dizzle88 · 08-12-2017, 05:02 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

yeah, did you see the video someone posted of how he landed on his knee?

Yeah I saw it, didn't really know what to think but I'll never trust Payton when it comes to injuries.

08-12-2017, 01:00 AM	#751
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,662	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints Training Camp Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Well, the Bills are going on 17 years, the Browns are going on 14 years, the Rams are going on 12 years, the Jags and the Bucs are going on 9 years, Titans are going on 8 years... Exactly!!! Good hell guys, at least we're perennial bottom dwellers.

08-12-2017, 01:44 AM	#752
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints Training Camp Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Well, the Bills are going on 17 years, the Browns are going on 14 years, the Rams are going on 12 years, the Jags and the Bucs are going on 9 years, Titans are going on 8 years... So you're advocating for that?We have 4 of the last 5. How many do you enjoy if it doesn't stop this year?

08-12-2017, 01:47 AM	#753
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints Training Camp Originally Posted by jnormand Exactly!!! Good hell guys, at least we're perennial bottom dwellers. Exactly? I don't understand this logic bro. I really don't. Embrace the suck because it could be worse. At least we're mediocre each year and fairly average. Needs to end this year or he needs a new sideline to patrol.

08-12-2017, 02:34 AM	#754
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints Training Camp Originally Posted by spkb25 So you're advocating for that?We have 4 of the last 5. How many do you enjoy if it doesn't stop this year? I didn't advocate for anything. You asked how long rebuilding takes and I listed the some of the current playoff droughts. But since you asked...In my mind, hiring a new head coach in the NFL is a hit or miss thing, and it seems to me, it misses more often than not. How many seasons do you give a new coach to turn things around? Two, three years? And if that coach doesn't work, how many years do you give the next guy? I'm more confident in Payton than I am in an unknown. We've talked about it on here dozens of times this offseason how close some of those games were last year. 3 busted special teams plays from being 10-6 instead of 7-9. I don't know how long I'll be happy with losing seasons but the team is still competitive so I'm happy for now. Who knows though, if the Saints go 4-12 this season, losing by 20 every game or if it seems he's lost control of the team, I'll probably be on the "fire Payton" bandwagon, but for now, I'm not there yet. SaintFanInATLHELL and AsylumGuido like this.

08-12-2017, 03:13 AM	#755
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints Training Camp Ghe difference between us and those teams such as Bucs, Titans, Jags, Browns etc is they do not have a HOF QB. We have been completely incapable of giving our HOF QB any sort of defensive help. On 2 occasions we have traded his best receiver and got pretty much zero positive results from it. I'm already starting to think Lattimore was the wrong pick, we should have focused upfront and drafted Barnett or someone like that. Barry from MS likes this.

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08-12-2017, 03:57 AM	#756
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints Training Camp Originally Posted by dizzle88 Ghe difference between us and those teams such as Bucs, Titans, Jags, Browns etc is they do not have a HOF QB. We have been completely incapable of giving our HOF QB any sort of defensive help. On 2 occasions we have traded his best receiver and got pretty much zero positive results from it. I'm already starting to think Lattimore was the wrong pick, we should have focused upfront and drafted Barnett or someone like that. Yep! How many suck years have the Patties had? How many suck years did Indy have when Manning was there? we're rocking 7-9. Bucs got a pretty good QB in the making down there and they nearly made the playoffs last year. Titans seemed to have a pretty good QB in the making, i think they'll fight for a spot too this year. Tell you what is scary, 3 of this years drafts picks are hurt with one coming back to the lineup today. Our secondary was 50% down 10 days into camp. Did Rankins play in the Browns game? Never even heard his name called. Then you have to worry that his success last year came because Nick was eating double teams. I feel we have more talent and the excuses for SP are over. This year is playoffs or bust. dizzle88 likes this.
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08-12-2017, 03:59 AM	#757
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints Training Camp Originally Posted by Utah_Saint I didn't advocate for anything. You asked how long rebuilding takes and I listed the some of the current playoff droughts. But since you asked...In my mind, hiring a new head coach in the NFL is a hit or miss thing, and it seems to me, it misses more often than not. How many seasons do you give a new coach to turn things around? Two, three years? And if that coach doesn't work, how many years do you give the next guy? I'm more confident in Payton than I am in an unknown. We've talked about it on here dozens of times this offseason how close some of those games were last year. 3 busted special teams plays from being 10-6 instead of 7-9. I don't know how long I'll be happy with losing seasons but the team is still competitive so I'm happy for now. Who knows though, if the Saints go 4-12 this season, losing by 20 every game or if it seems he's lost control of the team, I'll probably be on the "fire Payton" bandwagon, but for now, I'm not there yet. 7-9 gets you the 11th pick in the draft, two years running I might add. Thats not competitive. It's not even average, that would be 16th pick. Let's see what happens this season. I really am hoping for success because losing sucks anymore. 7-9 again and he needs pound pavement

08-12-2017, 04:43 AM	#758
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints Training Camp I've got a feeling Lattimore is going to be out for months, I really hope not but he hasn't practiced or been seen since the injury.

08-12-2017, 04:57 AM	#759
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints Training Camp Originally Posted by dizzle88 I've got a feeling Lattimore is going to be out for months, I really hope not but he hasn't practiced or been seen since the injury. yeah, did you see the video someone posted of how he landed on his knee?

08-12-2017, 05:02 AM	#760
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints Training Camp Originally Posted by spkb25 yeah, did you see the video someone posted of how he landed on his knee? Yeah I saw it, didn't really know what to think but I'll never trust Payton when it comes to injuries. spkb25 likes this.

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