Hook, Line , and Sphincter

The Dude · 07-28-2017, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

We have $13.1 million in cap space with an additional $3.2 million coming soon from Ellerbe's release putting us at $16.3 million. That doesn't include Orlando Franklin's contract because we don't know those numbers yet, but still... I don't see what the issue is.

The issue is leading the league in dead money. Doesn't matter how it happened anymore, it only matters that we fix it and keep it from happening again.

Ellerbie on its own doesn't bother me or hurt too much but you add a little here and a little there and it adds up.
There is no reason to pay top money for injured/injury prone players.
Deals like the Gallete fiasco are going to happen from time to time, you can't avoid situations like that but you can avoid getting stuck paying players who are injured and not on the team anymore.

We used to strike gold gambling like that. Brees and Greer turned out excellent for us but Sean and Micky have pressed their luck too much.

ChrisXVI · 07-28-2017, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

The issue is leading the league in dead money. Doesn't matter how it happened anymore, it only matters that we fix it and keep it from happening again.

Ellerbie on its own doesn't bother me or hurt too much but you add a little here and a little there and it adds up.
There is no reason to pay top money for injured/injury prone players.
Deals like the Gallete fiasco are going to happen from time to time, you can't avoid situations like that but you can avoid getting stuck paying players who are injured and not on the team anymore.

We used to strike gold gambling like that. Brees and Greer turned out excellent for us but Sean and Micky have pressed their luck too much.

But we have a lot of cap space (top half of the league after Ellerbe's cut) and the dead money isn't preventing us from signing anyone.

The Dude · 07-28-2017, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

But we have a lot of cap space (top half of the league after Ellerbe's cut) and the dead money isn't preventing us from signing anyone.

It still keeps our hands tied. Wouldn't we have an even higher cap if it weren't for all that dead crap?

jnormand · 07-28-2017, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

It still keeps our hands tied. Wouldn't we have an even higher cap if it weren't for all that dead crap?

Dude I see what you're saying. But in the end it's not tying our hands from signing anyone. I agree that it can be frustrating, but look at some of the "gambles" that they've taken. Gallette was a young up and comer that turned into a locker room cancer. Byrd was, at the time, arguably the most sought after FA on the market that ended up being a fluke. Browner was viewed as an aggressive savvy veteran corner who could come in and make an impact. And Fairley is injured and it may result in dead money. But he was coming off one of his best seasons as a pro and was re-signed.

All of those contracts ended up in dead money I believe. But they all or at the least, most of them, seemed like good moves at the time by the FO and fans.

Just bad luck IMO.

spkb25 · 07-28-2017, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

We have $13.1 million in cap space with an additional $3.2 million coming soon from Ellerbe's release putting us at $16.3 million. That doesn't include Orlando Franklin's contract because we don't know those numbers yet, but still... I don't see what the issue is.

65,000,000, I think

Utah_Saint · 07-28-2017, 12:21 PM

Dead money is getting better. Saints had $45million in dead money last season. It's down to $16 million this season.

Keenan Lewis $3,600,000
Jairus Byrd $3,400,000
C.J. Spiller $2,500,000
Nick Fairley $1,490,000
Paul Kruger $1,400,000
Brandon Browner $1,300,000
James Laurinaitis $1,200,000
Brandin Cooks $1,104,264
Garrett Grayson $366,584
Luke McCown $250,000

Next season everyone but Byrd drops off the list.

AsylumGuido · 07-28-2017, 01:20 PM

Some teams avoid dead money by keeping the deadbeats on their payroll. I would much rather cut ties, eliminating all non-guaranteed monies from the cap. If you have a player who isn't producing you are wasting the roster spot and wasting non-guaranteed base pay. Dead money has never stood in the way of the Saints signing any player. With the rapidly rising cap level the dead money isn't anywhere close to being a burden as some of you make it out to be. Early estimates on the 2018 cap has it around $180 million. Dead money is a drop in the bucket, especially considering it will only amount to $3.4 million.

spkb25 · 07-28-2017, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Dead money is getting better. Saints had $45million in dead money last season. It's down to $16 million this season.

Keenan Lewis $3,600,000
Jairus Byrd $3,400,000
C.J. Spiller $2,500,000
Nick Fairley $1,490,000
Paul Kruger $1,400,000
Brandon Browner $1,300,000
James Laurinaitis $1,200,000
Brandin Cooks $1,104,264
Garrett Grayson $366,584
Luke McCown $250,000

Next season everyone but Byrd drops off the list.

It is 16.8 mil this year and about to be 18.5 mil.

WW_Who_Dat · 07-28-2017, 01:40 PM

Time to move on ... Please let the beatings end!!!

spkb25 · 07-28-2017, 02:41 PM

And the worst part is you look at the nick situation. Just stupid by our front office again. They seem unable to learn their lesson

07-28-2017, 10:45 AM	#1
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,066	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Originally Posted by ChrisXVI We have $13.1 million in cap space with an additional $3.2 million coming soon from Ellerbe's release putting us at $16.3 million. That doesn't include Orlando Franklin's contract because we don't know those numbers yet, but still... I don't see what the issue is. The issue is leading the league in dead money. Doesn't matter how it happened anymore, it only matters that we fix it and keep it from happening again. Ellerbie on its own doesn't bother me or hurt too much but you add a little here and a little there and it adds up. There is no reason to pay top money for injured/injury prone players. Deals like the Gallete fiasco are going to happen from time to time, you can't avoid situations like that but you can avoid getting stuck paying players who are injured and not on the team anymore. We used to strike gold gambling like that. Brees and Greer turned out excellent for us but Sean and Micky have pressed their luck too much.
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07-28-2017, 10:49 AM	#2
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Originally Posted by The Dude The issue is leading the league in dead money. Doesn't matter how it happened anymore, it only matters that we fix it and keep it from happening again. Ellerbie on its own doesn't bother me or hurt too much but you add a little here and a little there and it adds up. There is no reason to pay top money for injured/injury prone players. Deals like the Gallete fiasco are going to happen from time to time, you can't avoid situations like that but you can avoid getting stuck paying players who are injured and not on the team anymore. We used to strike gold gambling like that. Brees and Greer turned out excellent for us but Sean and Micky have pressed their luck too much. But we have a lot of cap space (top half of the league after Ellerbe's cut) and the dead money isn't preventing us from signing anyone.

07-28-2017, 10:55 AM	#3
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,066	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Originally Posted by ChrisXVI But we have a lot of cap space (top half of the league after Ellerbe's cut) and the dead money isn't preventing us from signing anyone. It still keeps our hands tied. Wouldn't we have an even higher cap if it weren't for all that dead crap?
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jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,785	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Originally Posted by The Dude It still keeps our hands tied. Wouldn't we have an even higher cap if it weren't for all that dead crap? Dude I see what you're saying. But in the end it's not tying our hands from signing anyone. I agree that it can be frustrating, but look at some of the "gambles" that they've taken. Gallette was a young up and comer that turned into a locker room cancer. Byrd was, at the time, arguably the most sought after FA on the market that ended up being a fluke. Browner was viewed as an aggressive savvy veteran corner who could come in and make an impact. And Fairley is injured and it may result in dead money. But he was coming off one of his best seasons as a pro and was re-signed. All of those contracts ended up in dead money I believe. But they all or at the least, most of them, seemed like good moves at the time by the FO and fans. Just bad luck IMO. AsylumGuido and CharityMike like this.

07-28-2017, 11:46 AM	#5
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Originally Posted by ChrisXVI We have $13.1 million in cap space with an additional $3.2 million coming soon from Ellerbe's release putting us at $16.3 million. That doesn't include Orlando Franklin's contract because we don't know those numbers yet, but still... I don't see what the issue is. 65,000,000, I think

07-28-2017, 12:21 PM	#6
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Dead money is getting better. Saints had $45million in dead money last season. It's down to $16 million this season. Keenan Lewis $3,600,000 Jairus Byrd $3,400,000 C.J. Spiller $2,500,000 Nick Fairley $1,490,000 Paul Kruger $1,400,000 Brandon Browner $1,300,000 James Laurinaitis $1,200,000 Brandin Cooks $1,104,264 Garrett Grayson $366,584 Luke McCown $250,000 Next season everyone but Byrd drops off the list. jnormand, mleg1972, AsylumGuido and 1 others like this.

07-28-2017, 01:20 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,806	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Some teams avoid dead money by keeping the deadbeats on their payroll. I would much rather cut ties, eliminating all non-guaranteed monies from the cap. If you have a player who isn't producing you are wasting the roster spot and wasting non-guaranteed base pay. Dead money has never stood in the way of the Saints signing any player. With the rapidly rising cap level the dead money isn't anywhere close to being a burden as some of you make it out to be. Early estimates on the 2018 cap has it around $180 million. Dead money is a drop in the bucket, especially considering it will only amount to $3.4 million.
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07-28-2017, 02:35 PM	#8
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Dead money is getting better. Saints had $45million in dead money last season. It's down to $16 million this season. Keenan Lewis $3,600,000 Jairus Byrd $3,400,000 C.J. Spiller $2,500,000 Nick Fairley $1,490,000 Paul Kruger $1,400,000 Brandon Browner $1,300,000 James Laurinaitis $1,200,000 Brandin Cooks $1,104,264 Garrett Grayson $366,584 Luke McCown $250,000 Next season everyone but Byrd drops off the list. It is 16.8 mil this year and about to be 18.5 mil.

07-28-2017, 01:40 PM	#9
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,281 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Time to move on ... Please let the beatings end!!!

07-28-2017, 02:41 PM	#10
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter And the worst part is you look at the nick situation. Just stupid by our front office again. They seem unable to learn their lesson

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