Hook, Line , and Sphincter

spkb25 · 07-28-2017, 08:21 AM

Just when you thought the Saints were struggling or not one of the top teams in the NFL Mickey and Sean worked hard to prove you wrong. After the pending cut of Ellerbe the Saints will again lead the league in dead money. Is it difficult to do? Not really, 65,000,000 in two years is ripe for the pickens.

Number one two years running. Way to go Mick. Nice work Sean. I like where your heads are at.

SP "I will never say never, but I don't think his condition will improve"

And that is why you hand the man a new contract.

jeanpierre · 07-28-2017, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Just when you thought the Saints were struggling or not one of the top teams in the NFL Mickey and Sean worked hard to prove you wrong. After the pending cut of Ellerbe the Saints will again lead the league in dead money. Is it difficult to do? Not really, 65,000,000 in two years is ripe for the pickens.

Number one two years running. Way to go Mick. Nice work Sean. I like where your heads are at.

SP "I will never say never, but I don't think his condition will improve"

And that is why you hand the man a new contract.

Spike, what player move(s) specifically have you p/o'd, Ellerbe?

The Dude · 07-28-2017, 09:54 AM

Yea, it's getting old. This is the way he gambles in the high risk/high reward game. Other teams will take a chance on a player with off the field issues or players that just haven't been able to hold onto the ball, Payton plays the injury game. The only difference is that when he gambles it's with big money, not chump change.
Yes a few have worked out like Breaux, but he doesn't break the bank.
Far more players don't work out and they are the high dollar guys.
People wonder why we have so many injuries. It's like buying a new Range Rover off Craigslist and wondering why it continues to break down. 3 years after you get rid of it you are still paying for the parts you used to fix it.

Another reason why I think a 7-9 season may spell the end for Payton.

jnormand · 07-28-2017, 10:00 AM

There's no way Ellerbe's contract had that much dead money in it. I'm thinking it's Byrd's that did it. Either way, both needed to be gone.

ChrisXVI · 07-28-2017, 10:10 AM

We have $13.1 million in cap space with an additional $3.2 million coming soon from Ellerbe's release putting us at $16.3 million. That doesn't include Orlando Franklin's contract because we don't know those numbers yet, but still... I don't see what the issue is.

jnormand · 07-28-2017, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

We have $13.1 million in cap space with an additional $3.2 million coming soon from Ellerbe's release putting us at $16.3 million. That doesn't include Orlando Franklin's contract because we don't know those numbers yet, but still... I don't see what the issue is.

I agree that dead money sucks. The FO has made some bad decisions. But I'm sorry folks, the current trend for players is getting more and more of their contract guaranteed. This means that there's gonna be more and more dead money when the player doesn't work out or gets injured. It's the trend...we have to get used to it.

And like Chris said, we've got cap room, so I'm not going to let it bother me.

The Dude · 07-28-2017, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

We have $13.1 million in cap space with an additional $3.2 million coming soon from Ellerbe's release putting us at $16.3 million. That doesn't include Orlando Franklin's contract because we don't know those numbers yet, but still... I don't see what the issue is.

The issue is leading the league in dead money. Doesn't matter how it happened anymore, it only matters that we fix it and keep it from happening again.

Ellerbie on its own doesn't bother me or hurt too much but you add a little here and a little there and it adds up.
There is no reason to pay top money for injured/injury prone players.
Deals like the Gallete fiasco are going to happen from time to time, you can't avoid situations like that but you can avoid getting stuck paying players who are injured and not on the team anymore.

We used to strike gold gambling like that. Brees and Greer turned out excellent for us but Sean and Micky have pressed their luck too much.

ChrisXVI · 07-28-2017, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

The issue is leading the league in dead money. Doesn't matter how it happened anymore, it only matters that we fix it and keep it from happening again.

Ellerbie on its own doesn't bother me or hurt too much but you add a little here and a little there and it adds up.
There is no reason to pay top money for injured/injury prone players.
Deals like the Gallete fiasco are going to happen from time to time, you can't avoid situations like that but you can avoid getting stuck paying players who are injured and not on the team anymore.

We used to strike gold gambling like that. Brees and Greer turned out excellent for us but Sean and Micky have pressed their luck too much.

But we have a lot of cap space (top half of the league after Ellerbe's cut) and the dead money isn't preventing us from signing anyone.

The Dude · 07-28-2017, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

But we have a lot of cap space (top half of the league after Ellerbe's cut) and the dead money isn't preventing us from signing anyone.

It still keeps our hands tied. Wouldn't we have an even higher cap if it weren't for all that dead crap?

jnormand · 07-28-2017, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

It still keeps our hands tied. Wouldn't we have an even higher cap if it weren't for all that dead crap?

Dude I see what you're saying. But in the end it's not tying our hands from signing anyone. I agree that it can be frustrating, but look at some of the "gambles" that they've taken. Gallette was a young up and comer that turned into a locker room cancer. Byrd was, at the time, arguably the most sought after FA on the market that ended up being a fluke. Browner was viewed as an aggressive savvy veteran corner who could come in and make an impact. And Fairley is injured and it may result in dead money. But he was coming off one of his best seasons as a pro and was re-signed.

All of those contracts ended up in dead money I believe. But they all or at the least, most of them, seemed like good moves at the time by the FO and fans.

Just bad luck IMO.

07-28-2017, 08:21 AM	#1
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,093	Hook, Line , and Sphincter Just when you thought the Saints were struggling or not one of the top teams in the NFL Mickey and Sean worked hard to prove you wrong. After the pending cut of Ellerbe the Saints will again lead the league in dead money. Is it difficult to do? Not really, 65,000,000 in two years is ripe for the pickens. Number one two years running. Way to go Mick. Nice work Sean. I like where your heads are at. SP "I will never say never, but I don't think his condition will improve" And that is why you hand the man a new contract. The Dude likes this.
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07-28-2017, 08:28 AM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Originally Posted by spkb25 Just when you thought the Saints were struggling or not one of the top teams in the NFL Mickey and Sean worked hard to prove you wrong. After the pending cut of Ellerbe the Saints will again lead the league in dead money. Is it difficult to do? Not really, 65,000,000 in two years is ripe for the pickens. Number one two years running. Way to go Mick. Nice work Sean. I like where your heads are at. SP "I will never say never, but I don't think his condition will improve" And that is why you hand the man a new contract. Spike, what player move(s) specifically have you p/o'd, Ellerbe?

07-28-2017, 09:54 AM	#3
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Yea, it's getting old. This is the way he gambles in the high risk/high reward game. Other teams will take a chance on a player with off the field issues or players that just haven't been able to hold onto the ball, Payton plays the injury game. The only difference is that when he gambles it's with big money, not chump change. Yes a few have worked out like Breaux, but he doesn't break the bank. Far more players don't work out and they are the high dollar guys. People wonder why we have so many injuries. It's like buying a new Range Rover off Craigslist and wondering why it continues to break down. 3 years after you get rid of it you are still paying for the parts you used to fix it. Another reason why I think a 7-9 season may spell the end for Payton. spkb25 likes this.
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07-28-2017, 10:00 AM	#4
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,647	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter There's no way Ellerbe's contract had that much dead money in it. I'm thinking it's Byrd's that did it. Either way, both needed to be gone.

07-28-2017, 10:10 AM	#5
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter We have $13.1 million in cap space with an additional $3.2 million coming soon from Ellerbe's release putting us at $16.3 million. That doesn't include Orlando Franklin's contract because we don't know those numbers yet, but still... I don't see what the issue is. jnormand and mleg1972 like this.

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07-28-2017, 10:36 AM	#6
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,647	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Originally Posted by ChrisXVI We have $13.1 million in cap space with an additional $3.2 million coming soon from Ellerbe's release putting us at $16.3 million. That doesn't include Orlando Franklin's contract because we don't know those numbers yet, but still... I don't see what the issue is. I agree that dead money sucks. The FO has made some bad decisions. But I'm sorry folks, the current trend for players is getting more and more of their contract guaranteed. This means that there's gonna be more and more dead money when the player doesn't work out or gets injured. It's the trend...we have to get used to it. And like Chris said, we've got cap room, so I'm not going to let it bother me. mleg1972 likes this.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Originally Posted by ChrisXVI We have $13.1 million in cap space with an additional $3.2 million coming soon from Ellerbe's release putting us at $16.3 million. That doesn't include Orlando Franklin's contract because we don't know those numbers yet, but still... I don't see what the issue is. The issue is leading the league in dead money. Doesn't matter how it happened anymore, it only matters that we fix it and keep it from happening again. Ellerbie on its own doesn't bother me or hurt too much but you add a little here and a little there and it adds up. There is no reason to pay top money for injured/injury prone players. Deals like the Gallete fiasco are going to happen from time to time, you can't avoid situations like that but you can avoid getting stuck paying players who are injured and not on the team anymore. We used to strike gold gambling like that. Brees and Greer turned out excellent for us but Sean and Micky have pressed their luck too much.
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07-28-2017, 10:49 AM	#8
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Originally Posted by The Dude The issue is leading the league in dead money. Doesn't matter how it happened anymore, it only matters that we fix it and keep it from happening again. Ellerbie on its own doesn't bother me or hurt too much but you add a little here and a little there and it adds up. There is no reason to pay top money for injured/injury prone players. Deals like the Gallete fiasco are going to happen from time to time, you can't avoid situations like that but you can avoid getting stuck paying players who are injured and not on the team anymore. We used to strike gold gambling like that. Brees and Greer turned out excellent for us but Sean and Micky have pressed their luck too much. But we have a lot of cap space (top half of the league after Ellerbe's cut) and the dead money isn't preventing us from signing anyone.

07-28-2017, 10:55 AM	#9
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Originally Posted by ChrisXVI But we have a lot of cap space (top half of the league after Ellerbe's cut) and the dead money isn't preventing us from signing anyone. It still keeps our hands tied. Wouldn't we have an even higher cap if it weren't for all that dead crap?
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jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,647	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Originally Posted by The Dude It still keeps our hands tied. Wouldn't we have an even higher cap if it weren't for all that dead crap? Dude I see what you're saying. But in the end it's not tying our hands from signing anyone. I agree that it can be frustrating, but look at some of the "gambles" that they've taken. Gallette was a young up and comer that turned into a locker room cancer. Byrd was, at the time, arguably the most sought after FA on the market that ended up being a fluke. Browner was viewed as an aggressive savvy veteran corner who could come in and make an impact. And Fairley is injured and it may result in dead money. But he was coming off one of his best seasons as a pro and was re-signed. All of those contracts ended up in dead money I believe. But they all or at the least, most of them, seemed like good moves at the time by the FO and fans. Just bad luck IMO. AsylumGuido and CharityMike like this.

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