Hook, Line , and Sphincter

spkb25 · 07-28-2017, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

There's no way Ellerbe's contract had that much dead money in it. I'm thinking it's Byrd's that did it. Either way, both needed to be gone.

It isn't just ellerbe, but we were already like 3rd in the league, but his dead money should push us to #1

spkb25 · 07-28-2017, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

We have $13.1 million in cap space with an additional $3.2 million coming soon from Ellerbe's release putting us at $16.3 million. That doesn't include Orlando Franklin's contract because we don't know those numbers yet, but still... I don't see what the issue is.

65,000,000, I think

ChrisXVI · 07-28-2017, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

It isn't just ellerbe, but we were already like 3rd in the league, but his dead money should push us to #1

But like I said, cutting Ellerbe actually pushes us into the top half of the league in cap space. Why worry so much about the dead money? It isn't your money and it's not keeping us bereft of talent.

spkb25 · 07-28-2017, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

But like I said, cutting Ellerbe actually pushes us into the top half of the league in cap space. Why worry so much about the dead money? It isn't your money and it's not keeping us bereft of talent.

Because it is 65,000,000 dollars of wasted money which has led us to 7-9 and less talent. Stop pretending that 65,000,000 in two years hasn't hurt us.

ChrisXVI · 07-28-2017, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Because it is 65,000,000 dollars of wasted money which has led us to 7-9 and less talent. Stop pretending that 65,000,000 in two years hasn't hurt us.

I don't think it has. Injuries have been the cause. We still sign any player we really want unless there's a bidding war in which case you can't win 'em all.

Utah_Saint · 07-28-2017, 12:21 PM

Dead money is getting better. Saints had $45million in dead money last season. It's down to $16 million this season.

Keenan Lewis $3,600,000
Jairus Byrd $3,400,000
C.J. Spiller $2,500,000
Nick Fairley $1,490,000
Paul Kruger $1,400,000
Brandon Browner $1,300,000
James Laurinaitis $1,200,000
Brandin Cooks $1,104,264
Garrett Grayson $366,584
Luke McCown $250,000

Next season everyone but Byrd drops off the list.

AsylumGuido · 07-28-2017, 01:20 PM

Some teams avoid dead money by keeping the deadbeats on their payroll. I would much rather cut ties, eliminating all non-guaranteed monies from the cap. If you have a player who isn't producing you are wasting the roster spot and wasting non-guaranteed base pay. Dead money has never stood in the way of the Saints signing any player. With the rapidly rising cap level the dead money isn't anywhere close to being a burden as some of you make it out to be. Early estimates on the 2018 cap has it around $180 million. Dead money is a drop in the bucket, especially considering it will only amount to $3.4 million.

WW_Who_Dat · 07-28-2017, 01:40 PM

Time to move on ... Please let the beatings end!!!

spkb25 · 07-28-2017, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Dead money is getting better. Saints had $45million in dead money last season. It's down to $16 million this season.

Keenan Lewis $3,600,000
Jairus Byrd $3,400,000
C.J. Spiller $2,500,000
Nick Fairley $1,490,000
Paul Kruger $1,400,000
Brandon Browner $1,300,000
James Laurinaitis $1,200,000
Brandin Cooks $1,104,264
Garrett Grayson $366,584
Luke McCown $250,000

Next season everyone but Byrd drops off the list.

It is 16.8 mil this year and about to be 18.5 mil.

spkb25 · 07-28-2017, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

I don't think it has. Injuries have been the cause. We still sign any player we really want unless there's a bidding war in which case you can't win 'em all.

Of course it has. It was why we couldnt sign a guard last year even though we needed one. It was why we lacked depth last year in our secondary. Injuries are going to happen this year too. Matter of fact we have already lost two starters and we haven't even put pads on. The only way to handle that is depth. We have better depth this year, I think, but of course it has handcuffed us. If not then why did we end up 7-9?

The Patriots played four games without their starting qb and had a better record than we did through four games. The lost the best tight end in the league as well and won the super bowl. Of course 65 mil is a problem

07-28-2017, 11:46 AM	#11
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,093	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Originally Posted by jnormand There's no way Ellerbe's contract had that much dead money in it. I'm thinking it's Byrd's that did it. Either way, both needed to be gone. It isn't just ellerbe, but we were already like 3rd in the league, but his dead money should push us to #1 The Dude likes this.

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,093	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Originally Posted by ChrisXVI We have $13.1 million in cap space with an additional $3.2 million coming soon from Ellerbe's release putting us at $16.3 million. That doesn't include Orlando Franklin's contract because we don't know those numbers yet, but still... I don't see what the issue is. 65,000,000, I think

07-28-2017, 11:48 AM	#13
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Originally Posted by spkb25 It isn't just ellerbe, but we were already like 3rd in the league, but his dead money should push us to #1 But like I said, cutting Ellerbe actually pushes us into the top half of the league in cap space. Why worry so much about the dead money? It isn't your money and it's not keeping us bereft of talent. SaintFanInATLHELL, mleg1972 and CharityMike like this.

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,093	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Originally Posted by ChrisXVI But like I said, cutting Ellerbe actually pushes us into the top half of the league in cap space. Why worry so much about the dead money? It isn't your money and it's not keeping us bereft of talent. Because it is 65,000,000 dollars of wasted money which has led us to 7-9 and less talent. Stop pretending that 65,000,000 in two years hasn't hurt us.

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Originally Posted by spkb25 Because it is 65,000,000 dollars of wasted money which has led us to 7-9 and less talent. Stop pretending that 65,000,000 in two years hasn't hurt us. I don't think it has. Injuries have been the cause. We still sign any player we really want unless there's a bidding war in which case you can't win 'em all. jnormand and AsylumGuido like this.

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Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Dead money is getting better. Saints had $45million in dead money last season. It's down to $16 million this season. Keenan Lewis $3,600,000 Jairus Byrd $3,400,000 C.J. Spiller $2,500,000 Nick Fairley $1,490,000 Paul Kruger $1,400,000 Brandon Browner $1,300,000 James Laurinaitis $1,200,000 Brandin Cooks $1,104,264 Garrett Grayson $366,584 Luke McCown $250,000 Next season everyone but Byrd drops off the list. jnormand, mleg1972, AsylumGuido and 1 others like this.

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,093	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Dead money is getting better. Saints had $45million in dead money last season. It's down to $16 million this season. Keenan Lewis $3,600,000 Jairus Byrd $3,400,000 C.J. Spiller $2,500,000 Nick Fairley $1,490,000 Paul Kruger $1,400,000 Brandon Browner $1,300,000 James Laurinaitis $1,200,000 Brandin Cooks $1,104,264 Garrett Grayson $366,584 Luke McCown $250,000 Next season everyone but Byrd drops off the list. It is 16.8 mil this year and about to be 18.5 mil.

07-28-2017, 02:39 PM	#20
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,093	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Originally Posted by ChrisXVI I don't think it has. Injuries have been the cause. We still sign any player we really want unless there's a bidding war in which case you can't win 'em all. Of course it has. It was why we couldnt sign a guard last year even though we needed one. It was why we lacked depth last year in our secondary. Injuries are going to happen this year too. Matter of fact we have already lost two starters and we haven't even put pads on. The only way to handle that is depth. We have better depth this year, I think, but of course it has handcuffed us. If not then why did we end up 7-9? The Patriots played four games without their starting qb and had a better record than we did through four games. The lost the best tight end in the league as well and won the super bowl. Of course 65 mil is a problem The Dude likes this.
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