Hook, Line , and Sphincter

spkb25 · 07-28-2017, 08:21 AM

Just when you thought the Saints were struggling or not one of the top teams in the NFL Mickey and Sean worked hard to prove you wrong. After the pending cut of Ellerbe the Saints will again lead the league in dead money. Is it difficult to do? Not really, 65,000,000 in two years is ripe for the pickens.

Number one two years running. Way to go Mick. Nice work Sean. I like where your heads are at.

SP "I will never say never, but I don't think his condition will improve"

And that is why you hand the man a new contract.

jeanpierre · 07-28-2017, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Just when you thought the Saints were struggling or not one of the top teams in the NFL Mickey and Sean worked hard to prove you wrong. After the pending cut of Ellerbe the Saints will again lead the league in dead money. Is it difficult to do? Not really, 65,000,000 in two years is ripe for the pickens.

Number one two years running. Way to go Mick. Nice work Sean. I like where your heads are at.

SP "I will never say never, but I don't think his condition will improve"

And that is why you hand the man a new contract.

Spike, what player move(s) specifically have you p/o'd, Ellerbe?

The Dude · 07-28-2017, 09:54 AM

Yea, it's getting old. This is the way he gambles in the high risk/high reward game. Other teams will take a chance on a player with off the field issues or players that just haven't been able to hold onto the ball, Payton plays the injury game. The only difference is that when he gambles it's with big money, not chump change.
Yes a few have worked out like Breaux, but he doesn't break the bank.
Far more players don't work out and they are the high dollar guys.
People wonder why we have so many injuries. It's like buying a new Range Rover off Craigslist and wondering why it continues to break down. 3 years after you get rid of it you are still paying for the parts you used to fix it.

Another reason why I think a 7-9 season may spell the end for Payton.

jnormand · 07-28-2017, 10:00 AM

There's no way Ellerbe's contract had that much dead money in it. I'm thinking it's Byrd's that did it. Either way, both needed to be gone.

spkb25 · 07-28-2017, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

There's no way Ellerbe's contract had that much dead money in it. I'm thinking it's Byrd's that did it. Either way, both needed to be gone.

It isn't just ellerbe, but we were already like 3rd in the league, but his dead money should push us to #1

ChrisXVI · 07-28-2017, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

It isn't just ellerbe, but we were already like 3rd in the league, but his dead money should push us to #1

But like I said, cutting Ellerbe actually pushes us into the top half of the league in cap space. Why worry so much about the dead money? It isn't your money and it's not keeping us bereft of talent.

spkb25 · 07-28-2017, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

But like I said, cutting Ellerbe actually pushes us into the top half of the league in cap space. Why worry so much about the dead money? It isn't your money and it's not keeping us bereft of talent.

Because it is 65,000,000 dollars of wasted money which has led us to 7-9 and less talent. Stop pretending that 65,000,000 in two years hasn't hurt us.

ChrisXVI · 07-28-2017, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Because it is 65,000,000 dollars of wasted money which has led us to 7-9 and less talent. Stop pretending that 65,000,000 in two years hasn't hurt us.

I don't think it has. Injuries have been the cause. We still sign any player we really want unless there's a bidding war in which case you can't win 'em all.

ChrisXVI · 07-28-2017, 10:10 AM

We have $13.1 million in cap space with an additional $3.2 million coming soon from Ellerbe's release putting us at $16.3 million. That doesn't include Orlando Franklin's contract because we don't know those numbers yet, but still... I don't see what the issue is.

jnormand · 07-28-2017, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

We have $13.1 million in cap space with an additional $3.2 million coming soon from Ellerbe's release putting us at $16.3 million. That doesn't include Orlando Franklin's contract because we don't know those numbers yet, but still... I don't see what the issue is.

I agree that dead money sucks. The FO has made some bad decisions. But I'm sorry folks, the current trend for players is getting more and more of their contract guaranteed. This means that there's gonna be more and more dead money when the player doesn't work out or gets injured. It's the trend...we have to get used to it.

And like Chris said, we've got cap room, so I'm not going to let it bother me.

07-28-2017, 08:21 AM	#1
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Hook, Line , and Sphincter Just when you thought the Saints were struggling or not one of the top teams in the NFL Mickey and Sean worked hard to prove you wrong. After the pending cut of Ellerbe the Saints will again lead the league in dead money. Is it difficult to do? Not really, 65,000,000 in two years is ripe for the pickens. Number one two years running. Way to go Mick. Nice work Sean. I like where your heads are at. SP "I will never say never, but I don't think his condition will improve" And that is why you hand the man a new contract. The Dude likes this.
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07-28-2017, 08:28 AM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Originally Posted by spkb25 Just when you thought the Saints were struggling or not one of the top teams in the NFL Mickey and Sean worked hard to prove you wrong. After the pending cut of Ellerbe the Saints will again lead the league in dead money. Is it difficult to do? Not really, 65,000,000 in two years is ripe for the pickens. Number one two years running. Way to go Mick. Nice work Sean. I like where your heads are at. SP "I will never say never, but I don't think his condition will improve" And that is why you hand the man a new contract. Spike, what player move(s) specifically have you p/o'd, Ellerbe?

07-28-2017, 09:54 AM	#3
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Yea, it's getting old. This is the way he gambles in the high risk/high reward game. Other teams will take a chance on a player with off the field issues or players that just haven't been able to hold onto the ball, Payton plays the injury game. The only difference is that when he gambles it's with big money, not chump change. Yes a few have worked out like Breaux, but he doesn't break the bank. Far more players don't work out and they are the high dollar guys. People wonder why we have so many injuries. It's like buying a new Range Rover off Craigslist and wondering why it continues to break down. 3 years after you get rid of it you are still paying for the parts you used to fix it. Another reason why I think a 7-9 season may spell the end for Payton. spkb25 likes this.
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07-28-2017, 10:00 AM	#4
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,735	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter There's no way Ellerbe's contract had that much dead money in it. I'm thinking it's Byrd's that did it. Either way, both needed to be gone.

07-28-2017, 11:46 AM	#5
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Originally Posted by jnormand There's no way Ellerbe's contract had that much dead money in it. I'm thinking it's Byrd's that did it. Either way, both needed to be gone. It isn't just ellerbe, but we were already like 3rd in the league, but his dead money should push us to #1 The Dude likes this.

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Originally Posted by spkb25 It isn't just ellerbe, but we were already like 3rd in the league, but his dead money should push us to #1 But like I said, cutting Ellerbe actually pushes us into the top half of the league in cap space. Why worry so much about the dead money? It isn't your money and it's not keeping us bereft of talent. SaintFanInATLHELL, mleg1972 and CharityMike like this.

07-28-2017, 11:49 AM	#7
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Originally Posted by ChrisXVI But like I said, cutting Ellerbe actually pushes us into the top half of the league in cap space. Why worry so much about the dead money? It isn't your money and it's not keeping us bereft of talent. Because it is 65,000,000 dollars of wasted money which has led us to 7-9 and less talent. Stop pretending that 65,000,000 in two years hasn't hurt us.

07-28-2017, 11:53 AM	#8
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Originally Posted by spkb25 Because it is 65,000,000 dollars of wasted money which has led us to 7-9 and less talent. Stop pretending that 65,000,000 in two years hasn't hurt us. I don't think it has. Injuries have been the cause. We still sign any player we really want unless there's a bidding war in which case you can't win 'em all. jnormand and AsylumGuido like this.

07-28-2017, 10:10 AM	#9
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter We have $13.1 million in cap space with an additional $3.2 million coming soon from Ellerbe's release putting us at $16.3 million. That doesn't include Orlando Franklin's contract because we don't know those numbers yet, but still... I don't see what the issue is. jnormand and mleg1972 like this.

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jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,735	Re: Hook, Line , and Sphincter Originally Posted by ChrisXVI We have $13.1 million in cap space with an additional $3.2 million coming soon from Ellerbe's release putting us at $16.3 million. That doesn't include Orlando Franklin's contract because we don't know those numbers yet, but still... I don't see what the issue is. I agree that dead money sucks. The FO has made some bad decisions. But I'm sorry folks, the current trend for players is getting more and more of their contract guaranteed. This means that there's gonna be more and more dead money when the player doesn't work out or gets injured. It's the trend...we have to get used to it. And like Chris said, we've got cap room, so I'm not going to let it bother me. mleg1972 likes this.

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