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5 Saints who helped, and 5 who hurt themselves vs. Cleveland

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Idk what game some of you were watching unless you have some PRE-conceived biases which it seems....

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Old 08-11-2017, 02:26 PM   #1
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Re: 5 Saints who helped, and 5 who hurt themselves vs. Cleveland

Idk what game some of you were watching unless you have some PRE-conceived biases which it seems.
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Sound byte from Kenny V after P/S game #1. Noticeably frustrated and I can't blame him.

Vaccaro: 'We need to win these preseason games'

Winning in pre season matters ...
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Sound byte from Kenny V after P/S game #1. Noticeably frustrated and I can't blame him.

Vaccaro: 'We need to win these preseason games'

Winning in pre season matters ...
I don't blame him either, we had no attitude or desire. Grayson looked like crap, we couldn't move the ball at all for a long period of the game.

How many consecutive preseason games have we lost now?
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Old 08-11-2017, 03:05 PM   #4
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Sound byte from Kenny V after P/S game #1. Noticeably frustrated and I can't blame him.

Vaccaro: 'We need to win these preseason games'

Winning in pre season matters ...
IMO it starts at the top. The plays called are not great plays. Go for it on 4th down for a td and you call a jet sweep? C'mon. You wanna know why we don't win pre season games? Just look at the coach. there is your answer.
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Re: 5 Saints who helped, and 5 who hurt themselves vs. Cleveland

Crawley played great except on one play where he missed the press and the wr got over the top of him and caught a pass that could've been a td if he kept both feet in bound. One PI called on him was stupid and the other one was necessary( he took the fade away and the pass was a comeback route) He was still in their with tight coverage just too soon but showed great reaction.


Bell, I perceive him to becoming a ballhawk but he more like a thumper. His read and reaction look to be up to par.

Vacarro did it all, great coverage and diagnosis the plays. Contract year, this guy look to be looking at a lot of film on his opponents

P. J. Williams, played great. No hesitation in his tackling after that brutal concussion. Still I'll like to see his head far away from those knees.

Devante Harris played great, would've like to seen more attempts at him.

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Swann too slow to be guessing wrong. No recover speed at all. The wr was actually slowing down to wait on the ball and still had a yard or two separation when the ball got there

E Harris no excuse as the last line of defense letting a reciever get over the top. Special teams is no guarantee
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Crawley played great except on one play where he missed the press and the wr got over the top of him and caught a pass that could've been a td if he kept both feet in bound. One PI called on him was stupid and the other one was necessary( he took the fade away and the pass was a comeback route) He was still in their with tight coverage just too soon but showed great reaction.
I'll rewatch the game when I have a chance; maybe I confused Crawley with someone else, but I could swear I saw him out of place and getting beat often.
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Garrett Grayson didnt play as bad as you all made it seem
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Garrett Grayson didnt play as bad as you all made it seem
In a vacuum, maybe.

But when you consider he's been under Payton and Brees for 2 seasons and 3 camps, and a guy off the street comes in and looks better than him, well...
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Good Look:

1. Hau'oli Kikiha - He looked great coming off the edge on passing downs. He doesn't have the speed and quickness I desire from an EDGE rusher, but he's relentless and somehow seems to still apply pressure.

2. A.J. Klein - I kept my eyes on him the entire time he was on the field. He's excellent in coverage and diagnosing plays. I watched him shade the receiver up the seam then come down to make the tackle on the checkdown before he could get the first. That's exactly the kind of plays we need from that position.

3. P.J. Williams - He's shedding blocks. He's in good position during coverage. He's a willing and capable tackler. He's long and athletic. I'm excited to see him get more experience and I expect him to start this year barring injury.

4. Kenny Vacarro - His motor is high. He looks inspired and reminds me of his rookie season. He's diagnosing plays and cutting through traffic to make the tackle. Hopefully he keeps it up.

5. Alvin Kamara - The film speaks for itself. Patience. Vision. Burst. Strength. Versatility. Great pick.

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We all know Cadet was done when they draft Kamara. Lewis becomes our 4th receiver and kick returner. Nassib could be the guy Grayson can't but I still think we have one on our roster or we need to draft one next year. Lots of QBS next year. Loewen is a great surprise as is Crawley. We all knew Lutz was no Clutz. Harris is better and so is Swann. This is just the 1st pre-season game. I hope the team doesn't look at us posting in preseason because the team would go 2-20 every year!
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