5 Saints who helped, and 5 who hurt themselves vs. Cleveland

foreverfan · 08-12-2017, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

TG Jr. has always dropped footballs. Always. At 32, he is what he is.

Maybe Lewis will beat him out?

K Major · 08-12-2017, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

Maybe Lewis will beat him out?

Anything is possible. What I do appreciate about Coach Payton is that he respects players who are gamers (see DStallworth who was cut in favor of The Great M Colston). TLL is making the most of his snaps ... when the lights come on, he has performed.

Ginn better turn it up a notch or run the risk of dropping down the WR roster and/ or subsequently cut. There is also Fuller who coaches must evaluate.

Seer1 · 08-13-2017, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Ginn better turn it up a notch or run the risk of dropping

FIFY

Oooops!

WillMacKenzie · 08-11-2017, 06:35 AM

I thought kikaha flashed too, which was nice to see.

Something that really gets under my skin is defensive secondary being cluless seemingly all the time. It's like they aren't aware of game situations...

You can't leave cushions bigger than you can reasonably close quickly, and you can't let anyone behind you if you've got no help. CMON man

73Saint · 08-11-2017, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie

I thought kikaha flashed too, which was nice to see.

Something that really gets under my skin is defensive secondary being cluless seemingly all the time. It's like they aren't aware of game situations...

You can't leave cushions bigger than you can reasonably close quickly, and you can't let anyone behind you if you've got no help. CMON man

Situational awareness. To me, this seemed to be what frustrated Payton the most in his post-game presser.

Cruize · 08-11-2017, 07:46 AM

Good.....
Nassib looked good.
Kamara , Lasxo and Victor all looked good.
Lewis catches everything.
Coleman looks good.
Vaccaro made plays.
Lutz is for real.
Anzalone, Bell, Muhammad, Williams, and M. Williams all flashed.

Bad.....
Harris is not good.
Grayson holds on to the ball too long.
It's good to see Swann and Kikaha out there, but they're just average at best. Swann too slow. Kikaha not big and strong enough. Easily engulfed.
The LB's over all were just pedestrian.
Anthony is just a down hill guy. Thinking and covering are not his strong suits.
The TE's were basically invisible.

Ugly.....
Another don't give a crap preseason loss. You have to try and win the games. It's an attitude that's been lacking under Payton.
Harris and Tom are not NFL O-Lineman.
Hands of stone Ginn. His days should be numbered.

CharityMike · 08-11-2017, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by Cruize

Good.....
Nassib looked good.
Kamara , Lasxo and Victor all looked good.
Lewis catches everything.
Coleman looks good.
Vaccaro made plays.
Lutz is for real.
Anzalone, Bell, Muhammad, Williams, and M. Williams all flashed.

Bad.....
Harris is not good.
Grayson holds on to the ball too long.
It's good to see Swann and Kikaha out there, but they're just average at best. Swann too slow. Kikaha not big and strong enough. Easily engulfed.
The LB's over all were just pedestrian.
Anthony is just a down hill guy. Thinking and covering are not his strong suits.
The TE's were basically invisible.

Ugly.....
Another don't give a crap preseason loss. You have to try and win the games. It's an attitude that's been lacking under Payton.
Harris and Tom are not NFL O-Lineman.
Hands of stone Ginn. His days should be numbered.

Agree with everything except Kikaha. Give the guy a break ffs. A tenth of a second longer and he sacks Osweiler. He has heart and a motor. It was the first game action for quite some time since he got hurt. I think a rotation of him and Okafor is pretty solid.

And I also am on the fence with Anthony. But is it his fault he has the expectation of him that he does. IMO it is obvious he was not a first round talent and more of a third round. I think having him as depth is pretty good and I just hope that at some point, the light bulb turns on for him while he is playing for us. Its happened before. Players struggle for the first few yrs and then something clicks and they turn all pro. I can hope for that at least lol.

Rell&Gold · 08-11-2017, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by Cruize

Good.....
Nassib looked good.
Kamara , Lasxo and Victor all looked good.
Lewis catches everything.
Coleman looks good.
Vaccaro made plays.
Lutz is for real.
Anzalone, Bell, Muhammad, Williams, and M. Williams all flashed.

Bad.....
Harris is not good.
Grayson holds on to the ball too long.
It's good to see Swann and Kikaha out there, but they're just average at best. Swann too slow. Kikaha not big and strong enough. Easily engulfed.
The LB's over all were just pedestrian.
Anthony is just a down hill guy. Thinking and covering are not his strong suits.
The TE's were basically invisible.

Ugly.....
Another don't give a crap preseason loss. You have to try and win the games. It's an attitude that's been lacking under Payton.
Harris and Tom are not NFL O-Lineman.
Hands of stone Ginn. His days should be numbered.

Where did Anthony have any blown coverages?

|Mitch| · 08-12-2017, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by Cruize

Kikaha out there, but they're just average at best. Swann too slow. Kikaha not big and strong enough. Easily engulfed.
The LB's over all were just pedestrian.

I disagree; Kikaha kept getting held(only 1 was flagged)... That's the only way they could keep him out the backfield...

Anthony, T'eo, and Anzalone all had their moments... T'eo and Anzalone were good in coverage...

Rell&Gold · 08-12-2017, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

I disagree; Kikaha kept getting held(only 1 was flagged)... That's the only way they could keep him out the backfield...

Anthony, T'eo, and Anzalone all had their moments... T'eo and Anzalone were good in coverage...

And Anthony our LB played well

08-12-2017, 07:44 PM	#1
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: 5 Saints who helped, and 5 who hurt themselves vs. Cleveland Originally Posted by K Major TG Jr. has always dropped footballs. Always. At 32, he is what he is. Maybe Lewis will beat him out?

08-12-2017, 08:07 PM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,916 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 5 Saints who helped, and 5 who hurt themselves vs. Cleveland Originally Posted by foreverfan Maybe Lewis will beat him out? Anything is possible. What I do appreciate about Coach Payton is that he respects players who are gamers (see DStallworth who was cut in favor of The Great M Colston). TLL is making the most of his snaps ... when the lights come on, he has performed. Ginn better turn it up a notch or run the risk of dropping down the WR roster and/ or subsequently cut. There is also Fuller who coaches must evaluate.

08-13-2017, 08:48 AM	#3
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: 5 Saints who helped, and 5 who hurt themselves vs. Cleveland Originally Posted by K Major Ginn better turn it up a notch or run the risk of dropping FIFY Oooops!

08-11-2017, 06:35 AM	#4
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: 5 Saints who helped, and 5 who hurt themselves vs. Cleveland I thought kikaha flashed too, which was nice to see. Something that really gets under my skin is defensive secondary being cluless seemingly all the time. It's like they aren't aware of game situations... You can't leave cushions bigger than you can reasonably close quickly, and you can't let anyone behind you if you've got no help. CMON man hagan714, foreverfan and 73Saint like this.

08-11-2017, 10:09 AM	#5
73Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NOLA Posts: 2,336	Re: 5 Saints who helped, and 5 who hurt themselves vs. Cleveland Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie I thought kikaha flashed too, which was nice to see. Something that really gets under my skin is defensive secondary being cluless seemingly all the time. It's like they aren't aware of game situations... You can't leave cushions bigger than you can reasonably close quickly, and you can't let anyone behind you if you've got no help. CMON man Situational awareness. To me, this seemed to be what frustrated Payton the most in his post-game presser. Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.

08-11-2017, 07:46 AM	#6
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,467	Re: 5 Saints who helped, and 5 who hurt themselves vs. Cleveland Good..... Nassib looked good. Kamara , Lasxo and Victor all looked good. Lewis catches everything. Coleman looks good. Vaccaro made plays. Lutz is for real. Anzalone, Bell, Muhammad, Williams, and M. Williams all flashed. Bad..... Harris is not good. Grayson holds on to the ball too long. It's good to see Swann and Kikaha out there, but they're just average at best. Swann too slow. Kikaha not big and strong enough. Easily engulfed. The LB's over all were just pedestrian. Anthony is just a down hill guy. Thinking and covering are not his strong suits. The TE's were basically invisible. Ugly..... Another don't give a crap preseason loss. You have to try and win the games. It's an attitude that's been lacking under Payton. Harris and Tom are not NFL O-Lineman. Hands of stone Ginn. His days should be numbered. hagan714, Barry from MS and Rugby Saint II like this.
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08-11-2017, 01:55 PM	#7
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: 5 Saints who helped, and 5 who hurt themselves vs. Cleveland Originally Posted by Cruize Good..... Nassib looked good. Kamara , Lasxo and Victor all looked good. Lewis catches everything. Coleman looks good. Vaccaro made plays. Lutz is for real. Anzalone, Bell, Muhammad, Williams, and M. Williams all flashed. Bad..... Harris is not good. Grayson holds on to the ball too long. It's good to see Swann and Kikaha out there, but they're just average at best. Swann too slow. Kikaha not big and strong enough. Easily engulfed. The LB's over all were just pedestrian. Anthony is just a down hill guy. Thinking and covering are not his strong suits. The TE's were basically invisible. Ugly..... Another don't give a crap preseason loss. You have to try and win the games. It's an attitude that's been lacking under Payton. Harris and Tom are not NFL O-Lineman. Hands of stone Ginn. His days should be numbered. Agree with everything except Kikaha. Give the guy a break ffs. A tenth of a second longer and he sacks Osweiler. He has heart and a motor. It was the first game action for quite some time since he got hurt. I think a rotation of him and Okafor is pretty solid. And I also am on the fence with Anthony. But is it his fault he has the expectation of him that he does. IMO it is obvious he was not a first round talent and more of a third round. I think having him as depth is pretty good and I just hope that at some point, the light bulb turns on for him while he is playing for us. Its happened before. Players struggle for the first few yrs and then something clicks and they turn all pro. I can hope for that at least lol.

08-11-2017, 02:24 PM	#8
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: 5 Saints who helped, and 5 who hurt themselves vs. Cleveland Originally Posted by Cruize Good..... Nassib looked good. Kamara , Lasxo and Victor all looked good. Lewis catches everything. Coleman looks good. Vaccaro made plays. Lutz is for real. Anzalone, Bell, Muhammad, Williams, and M. Williams all flashed. Bad..... Harris is not good. Grayson holds on to the ball too long. It's good to see Swann and Kikaha out there, but they're just average at best. Swann too slow. Kikaha not big and strong enough. Easily engulfed. The LB's over all were just pedestrian. Anthony is just a down hill guy. Thinking and covering are not his strong suits. The TE's were basically invisible. Ugly..... Another don't give a crap preseason loss. You have to try and win the games. It's an attitude that's been lacking under Payton. Harris and Tom are not NFL O-Lineman. Hands of stone Ginn. His days should be numbered. Where did Anthony have any blown coverages?

08-12-2017, 11:41 AM	#9
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: 5 Saints who helped, and 5 who hurt themselves vs. Cleveland Originally Posted by Cruize Kikaha out there, but they're just average at best. Swann too slow. Kikaha not big and strong enough. Easily engulfed. The LB's over all were just pedestrian. I disagree; Kikaha kept getting held(only 1 was flagged)... That's the only way they could keep him out the backfield... Anthony, T'eo, and Anzalone all had their moments... T'eo and Anzalone were good in coverage... hagan714 and CharityMike like this.

08-12-2017, 02:41 PM	#10
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: 5 Saints who helped, and 5 who hurt themselves vs. Cleveland Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| I disagree; Kikaha kept getting held(only 1 was flagged)... That's the only way they could keep him out the backfield... Anthony, T'eo, and Anzalone all had their moments... T'eo and Anzalone were good in coverage... And Anthony our LB played well

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