5 Saints who helped, and 5 who hurt themselves vs. Cleveland

Cruize · 08-11-2017, 07:46 AM

Good.....
Nassib looked good.
Kamara , Lasxo and Victor all looked good.
Lewis catches everything.
Coleman looks good.
Vaccaro made plays.
Lutz is for real.
Anzalone, Bell, Muhammad, Williams, and M. Williams all flashed.

Bad.....
Harris is not good.
Grayson holds on to the ball too long.
It's good to see Swann and Kikaha out there, but they're just average at best. Swann too slow. Kikaha not big and strong enough. Easily engulfed.
The LB's over all were just pedestrian.
Anthony is just a down hill guy. Thinking and covering are not his strong suits.
The TE's were basically invisible.

Ugly.....
Another don't give a crap preseason loss. You have to try and win the games. It's an attitude that's been lacking under Payton.
Harris and Tom are not NFL O-Lineman.
Hands of stone Ginn. His days should be numbered.

CharityMike · 08-11-2017, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by Cruize

Good.....
Nassib looked good.
Kamara , Lasxo and Victor all looked good.
Lewis catches everything.
Coleman looks good.
Vaccaro made plays.
Lutz is for real.
Anzalone, Bell, Muhammad, Williams, and M. Williams all flashed.

Bad.....
Harris is not good.
Grayson holds on to the ball too long.
It's good to see Swann and Kikaha out there, but they're just average at best. Swann too slow. Kikaha not big and strong enough. Easily engulfed.
The LB's over all were just pedestrian.
Anthony is just a down hill guy. Thinking and covering are not his strong suits.
The TE's were basically invisible.

Ugly.....
Another don't give a crap preseason loss. You have to try and win the games. It's an attitude that's been lacking under Payton.
Harris and Tom are not NFL O-Lineman.
Hands of stone Ginn. His days should be numbered.

Agree with everything except Kikaha. Give the guy a break ffs. A tenth of a second longer and he sacks Osweiler. He has heart and a motor. It was the first game action for quite some time since he got hurt. I think a rotation of him and Okafor is pretty solid.

And I also am on the fence with Anthony. But is it his fault he has the expectation of him that he does. IMO it is obvious he was not a first round talent and more of a third round. I think having him as depth is pretty good and I just hope that at some point, the light bulb turns on for him while he is playing for us. Its happened before. Players struggle for the first few yrs and then something clicks and they turn all pro. I can hope for that at least lol.

Rell&Gold · 08-11-2017, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by Cruize

Good.....
Nassib looked good.
Kamara , Lasxo and Victor all looked good.
Lewis catches everything.
Coleman looks good.
Vaccaro made plays.
Lutz is for real.
Anzalone, Bell, Muhammad, Williams, and M. Williams all flashed.

Bad.....
Harris is not good.
Grayson holds on to the ball too long.
It's good to see Swann and Kikaha out there, but they're just average at best. Swann too slow. Kikaha not big and strong enough. Easily engulfed.
The LB's over all were just pedestrian.
Anthony is just a down hill guy. Thinking and covering are not his strong suits.
The TE's were basically invisible.

Ugly.....
Another don't give a crap preseason loss. You have to try and win the games. It's an attitude that's been lacking under Payton.
Harris and Tom are not NFL O-Lineman.
Hands of stone Ginn. His days should be numbered.

Where did Anthony have any blown coverages?

|Mitch| · 08-12-2017, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by Cruize

Kikaha out there, but they're just average at best. Swann too slow. Kikaha not big and strong enough. Easily engulfed.
The LB's over all were just pedestrian.

I disagree; Kikaha kept getting held(only 1 was flagged)... That's the only way they could keep him out the backfield...

Anthony, T'eo, and Anzalone all had their moments... T'eo and Anzalone were good in coverage...

Rell&Gold · 08-12-2017, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

I disagree; Kikaha kept getting held(only 1 was flagged)... That's the only way they could keep him out the backfield...

Anthony, T'eo, and Anzalone all had their moments... T'eo and Anzalone were good in coverage...

And Anthony our LB played well

hagan714 · 08-13-2017, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

I disagree; Kikaha kept getting held(only 1 was flagged)... That's the only way they could keep him out the backfield...

Anthony, T'eo, and Anzalone all had their moments... T'eo and Anzalone were good in coverage...

T'eo in coverage? I have some serious questions here. I saw why the saints run him off the field on passing downs. I see a two down LB that may have issues in coverage. maybe too much of an old school MLB skill set for todays NFL. but new system so lets wait and see.

08-11-2017, 07:46 AM	#1
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,467	Re: 5 Saints who helped, and 5 who hurt themselves vs. Cleveland Good..... Nassib looked good. Kamara , Lasxo and Victor all looked good. Lewis catches everything. Coleman looks good. Vaccaro made plays. Lutz is for real. Anzalone, Bell, Muhammad, Williams, and M. Williams all flashed. Bad..... Harris is not good. Grayson holds on to the ball too long. It's good to see Swann and Kikaha out there, but they're just average at best. Swann too slow. Kikaha not big and strong enough. Easily engulfed. The LB's over all were just pedestrian. Anthony is just a down hill guy. Thinking and covering are not his strong suits. The TE's were basically invisible. Ugly..... Another don't give a crap preseason loss. You have to try and win the games. It's an attitude that's been lacking under Payton. Harris and Tom are not NFL O-Lineman. Hands of stone Ginn. His days should be numbered. hagan714, Barry from MS and Rugby Saint II like this.
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08-11-2017, 01:55 PM	#2
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: 5 Saints who helped, and 5 who hurt themselves vs. Cleveland Originally Posted by Cruize Good..... Nassib looked good. Kamara , Lasxo and Victor all looked good. Lewis catches everything. Coleman looks good. Vaccaro made plays. Lutz is for real. Anzalone, Bell, Muhammad, Williams, and M. Williams all flashed. Bad..... Harris is not good. Grayson holds on to the ball too long. It's good to see Swann and Kikaha out there, but they're just average at best. Swann too slow. Kikaha not big and strong enough. Easily engulfed. The LB's over all were just pedestrian. Anthony is just a down hill guy. Thinking and covering are not his strong suits. The TE's were basically invisible. Ugly..... Another don't give a crap preseason loss. You have to try and win the games. It's an attitude that's been lacking under Payton. Harris and Tom are not NFL O-Lineman. Hands of stone Ginn. His days should be numbered. Agree with everything except Kikaha. Give the guy a break ffs. A tenth of a second longer and he sacks Osweiler. He has heart and a motor. It was the first game action for quite some time since he got hurt. I think a rotation of him and Okafor is pretty solid. And I also am on the fence with Anthony. But is it his fault he has the expectation of him that he does. IMO it is obvious he was not a first round talent and more of a third round. I think having him as depth is pretty good and I just hope that at some point, the light bulb turns on for him while he is playing for us. Its happened before. Players struggle for the first few yrs and then something clicks and they turn all pro. I can hope for that at least lol.

08-11-2017, 02:24 PM	#3
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: 5 Saints who helped, and 5 who hurt themselves vs. Cleveland Originally Posted by Cruize Good..... Nassib looked good. Kamara , Lasxo and Victor all looked good. Lewis catches everything. Coleman looks good. Vaccaro made plays. Lutz is for real. Anzalone, Bell, Muhammad, Williams, and M. Williams all flashed. Bad..... Harris is not good. Grayson holds on to the ball too long. It's good to see Swann and Kikaha out there, but they're just average at best. Swann too slow. Kikaha not big and strong enough. Easily engulfed. The LB's over all were just pedestrian. Anthony is just a down hill guy. Thinking and covering are not his strong suits. The TE's were basically invisible. Ugly..... Another don't give a crap preseason loss. You have to try and win the games. It's an attitude that's been lacking under Payton. Harris and Tom are not NFL O-Lineman. Hands of stone Ginn. His days should be numbered. Where did Anthony have any blown coverages?

08-12-2017, 11:41 AM	#4
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: 5 Saints who helped, and 5 who hurt themselves vs. Cleveland Originally Posted by Cruize Kikaha out there, but they're just average at best. Swann too slow. Kikaha not big and strong enough. Easily engulfed. The LB's over all were just pedestrian. I disagree; Kikaha kept getting held(only 1 was flagged)... That's the only way they could keep him out the backfield... Anthony, T'eo, and Anzalone all had their moments... T'eo and Anzalone were good in coverage... hagan714 and CharityMike like this.

08-12-2017, 02:41 PM	#5
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: 5 Saints who helped, and 5 who hurt themselves vs. Cleveland Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| I disagree; Kikaha kept getting held(only 1 was flagged)... That's the only way they could keep him out the backfield... Anthony, T'eo, and Anzalone all had their moments... T'eo and Anzalone were good in coverage... And Anthony our LB played well

08-13-2017, 07:30 AM	#6
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 5 Saints who helped, and 5 who hurt themselves vs. Cleveland Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| I disagree; Kikaha kept getting held(only 1 was flagged)... That's the only way they could keep him out the backfield... Anthony, T'eo, and Anzalone all had their moments... T'eo and Anzalone were good in coverage... T'eo in coverage? I have some serious questions here. I saw why the saints run him off the field on passing downs. I see a two down LB that may have issues in coverage. maybe too much of an old school MLB skill set for todays NFL. but new system so lets wait and see.

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