Payton need to go?

jeanpierre · 09-13-2017, 10:15 AM

Watched the game again last night and confirmed play calling has got to be more patient with the run game - from a post earlier in the thread...

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

[B]... the running game not working is simply not true...

The Saints were leading the game 6-3 with a run-pass ratio of 16 run plays to 17 (14) pass plays; three of the pass plays were negated by penalty (hence the 17 (14) pass plays), two by the Vikings (T. Johnson - PF/Roughing Passer, E. Griffin - Offsides) and one by Saints (A. Peat - Holding)...

Just because Ingram, Peterson, or Kamara tear off a run of 50 yds doesn't mean the run game wasn't successful...

In the first half, we had RuYd plays of 9, 1, 3, 2, 2, 1, 4, 3, 3, 7, 2, 5, -1, 3, 2, 1...

Again, the 20 yd gashes are great, but this Vikings defense was third (3rd) in pass defense, but only twentieth (20th) in rush defense last season...

So the recipe for beating these physical defenses like the Vikings, Seahawks and Broncos is too pound them, running it right at their edge rushers...

And another thing I didn't see with the Ingram and Peterson runs was a lot of pull-zone blocking to open the field, instead trying to run at L. Joseph...

Running those wide zone sweeps, exposing their pass rushers to those remember me hits from our physical guards...

Believe Payton learned his lesson and the MNF beating in the second half will reinforce the lesson...

K Major · 09-13-2017, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Watched the game again last night and confirmed play calling has got to be more patient with the run game - from a post earlier in the thread...

So the recipe for beating these physical defenses like the Vikings, Seahawks and Broncos is too pound them, running it right at their edge rushers...

And another thing I didn't see with the Ingram and Peterson runs was a lot of pull-zone blocking to open the field, instead trying to run at L. Joseph...

Someway the Saints must establish a running attack going forward.

Ingram, Peterson, Kamara etc ... there is no reason for us not to have a 90+ yard run game. Parcels always used to say that Payton was a bit too "pass happy". Run it down their collective throats ... even if it isn't working at first.

jeanpierre · 09-13-2017, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Someway the Saints must establish a running attack going forward.

Ingram, Peterson, Kamara etc ... there is no reason for us not to have a 90+ yard run game. Parcels always used to say that Payton was a bit too "pass happy". Run it down their collective throats ... even if it isn't working at first.

And that's the thing, what do you define as working?

I would've considerd a lead of 6-3 as working just fine...

dizzle88 · 09-13-2017, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

And that's the thing, what do you define as working?

I would've considerd a lead of 6-3 as working just fine...

It was working, the game was being managed and we all knew eventually that our offense would find a way.

What we didn't count on is the D having a random meltdown after they didn't play too badly to begin with.

Then Payton just confused himself, finally got an offensive drive going, only to settle for FG's.

09-13-2017, 10:15 AM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Payton need to go? Watched the game again last night and confirmed play calling has got to be more patient with the run game - from a post earlier in the thread... Originally Posted by jeanpierre [B]... the running game not working is simply not true... The Saints were leading the game 6-3 with a run-pass ratio of 16 run plays to 17 (14) pass plays; three of the pass plays were negated by penalty (hence the 17 (14) pass plays), two by the Vikings (T. Johnson - PF/Roughing Passer, E. Griffin - Offsides) and one by Saints (A. Peat - Holding)... Just because Ingram, Peterson, or Kamara tear off a run of 50 yds doesn't mean the run game wasn't successful... In the first half, we had RuYd plays of 9, 1, 3, 2, 2, 1, 4, 3, 3, 7, 2, 5, -1, 3, 2, 1... Again, the 20 yd gashes are great, but this Vikings defense was third (3rd) in pass defense, but only twentieth (20th) in rush defense last season... So the recipe for beating these physical defenses like the Vikings, Seahawks and Broncos is too pound them, running it right at their edge rushers... And another thing I didn't see with the Ingram and Peterson runs was a lot of pull-zone blocking to open the field, instead trying to run at L. Joseph... Running those wide zone sweeps, exposing their pass rushers to those remember me hits from our physical guards... Believe Payton learned his lesson and the MNF beating in the second half will reinforce the lesson... dizzle88 likes this.
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09-13-2017, 10:50 AM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,845 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Payton need to go? Originally Posted by jeanpierre Watched the game again last night and confirmed play calling has got to be more patient with the run game - from a post earlier in the thread... So the recipe for beating these physical defenses like the Vikings, Seahawks and Broncos is too pound them, running it right at their edge rushers... And another thing I didn't see with the Ingram and Peterson runs was a lot of pull-zone blocking to open the field, instead trying to run at L. Joseph... Someway the Saints must establish a running attack going forward. Ingram, Peterson, Kamara etc ... there is no reason for us not to have a 90+ yard run game. Parcels always used to say that Payton was a bit too "pass happy". Run it down their collective throats ... even if it isn't working at first. WillMacKenzie likes this.

09-13-2017, 11:18 AM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Payton need to go? Originally Posted by K Major Someway the Saints must establish a running attack going forward. Ingram, Peterson, Kamara etc ... there is no reason for us not to have a 90+ yard run game. Parcels always used to say that Payton was a bit too "pass happy". Run it down their collective throats ... even if it isn't working at first. And that's the thing, what do you define as working? I would've considerd a lead of 6-3 as working just fine... K Major likes this.

09-13-2017, 11:22 AM	#4
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,546	Re: Payton need to go? Originally Posted by jeanpierre And that's the thing, what do you define as working? I would've considerd a lead of 6-3 as working just fine... It was working, the game was being managed and we all knew eventually that our offense would find a way. What we didn't count on is the D having a random meltdown after they didn't play too badly to begin with. Then Payton just confused himself, finally got an offensive drive going, only to settle for FG's.

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