Bro you don't get to claim that the new coaches were the fix and then turn around and spin it to be they would have fixed it if they had been signed earlier.

No matter how anyone spins this the man at the top is SP. He gets the blame after this many season and now 50 games of failure.

Spike, spin? No. Fact is I had been arguing, posting that changes had to be made to the coaching staff (for my part, specifically it was Vitt). Payton's fault, clearly stated then and now, was his reluctance to make those changes.

Spike you've been so f*cking negative with your blinded lust that pound of flesh for the disappointment the team has given all of us, you can't separate the progress and growing pains that's been made from the Payton/Loomis' failures to act or their misguided failures from a lack of not looking at themselves...

The real problems with this team started when Payton won a Superbowl and everyone, and I mean everyone, threw out careful organizational checks and balances, threw him on their shoulders and exalted him the king-dictator...

The team and its fanbase is simply paying the price for that hubris and we have to wait while a man now has to share (give up) that authority across the franchise with new, competent people in the organization...

It may be that by season's end that Payton has to go, but don't tell me that the team hasn't been making better moves the past two years...

Spike, spin? No. Fact is I had been arguing, posting that changes had to be made to the coaching staff (for my part, specifically it was Vitt). Payton's fault, clearly stated then and now, was his reluctance to make those changes.

Spike you've been so f*cking negative with your blinded lust that pound of flesh for the disappointment the team has given all of us, you can't separate the progress and growing pains that's been made from the Payton/Loomis' failures to act or their misguided failures from a lack of not looking at themselves...

The real problems with this team started when Payton won a Superbowl and everyone, and I mean everyone, threw out careful organizational checks and balances, threw him on their shoulders and exalted him the king-dictator...

The team and its fanbase is simply paying the price for that hubris and we have to wait while a man now has to share (give up) that authority across the franchise with new, competent people in the organization...

It may be that by season's end that Payton has to go, but don't tell me that the team hasn't been making better moves the past two years...

Find a way to win!

While I don't share the same disdain for SP as Spike. Or the hope that we tank the season so he is fired or even the thought of moving on from Brees. I can certainly sympathize with his negativity and frustration. After 3 straight 7-9 seasons, the Saints open up this season at 0-2. Not close losses. They were flat, disorganized, uninspired and uncompetitive.

I think some people are tired of waiting until next year.

Do I think there has been some improvements? Absolutely. The ones you named were great examples. And I'm sure there's more. But unfortunately, the bad outweighs the good at this point in the season. The defense has given up a ton of yardage and is pace to break it's own record. And the offense has been a bit stagnant and can't seem to score inside the red-zone.

I used to get pissed when all I heard was negativity regarding our team. I don't right now because I think the product on the field warrants the complaints.

I certainly hope that the team turns it around and SP finds a way to get back to winning. Until then, there isn't much to be positive about. The only thing I'm positive about is that I'm positive this team has underwhelmed and underperformed, and people are tired of it.

And yes, I know what the team used to be. I've been a fan for almost 40 years and I've seen a lot of losing. But the expectation is higher now for SP and the Saints.

Find a way to win!

I'm not waiting until next year. We are two games into 16 having faced perhaps our two toughest opponents.

I honestly feel that the toughest opponent for the Saints is the Saints.

No one has done more to defeat the on-field genius of Sean Payton more than Sean Payton the General Manager...

I honestly feel that the toughest opponent for the Saints is the Saints.

They have the talent to beat anyone and have come up short.

They have lost their way. Be it by coaching, players, scheme, or whatever.

They have to find a way to stop beating themselves and start playing good football again. Injuries and bad luck don't effect good teams.

Let's hope they find that spark this week.

While I don't share the same disdain for SP as Spike. Or the hope that we tank the season so he is fired or even the thought of moving on from Brees. I can certainly sympathize with his negativity and frustration. After 3 straight 7-9 seasons, the Saints open up this season at 0-2. Not close losses. They were flat, disorganized, uninspired and uncompetitive.

I think some people are tired of waiting until next year.

Do I think there has been some improvements? Absolutely. The ones you named were great examples. And I'm sure there's more. But unfortunately, the bad outweighs the good at this point in the season. The defense has given up a ton of yardage and is pace to break it's own record. And the offense has been a bit stagnant and can't seem to score inside the red-zone.

I used to get pissed when all I heard was negativity regarding our team. I don't right now because I think the product on the field warrants the complaints.

I certainly hope that the team turns it around and SP finds a way to get back to winning. Until then, there isn't much to be positive about. The only thing I'm positive about is that I'm positive this team has underwhelmed and underperformed, and people are tired of it.

And yes, I know what the team used to be. I've been a fan for almost 40 years and I've seen a lot of losing. But the expectation is higher now for SP and the Saints.

Find a way to win!