Saints safety Kenny Vaccaro: 'I'm staying here until they don't want me'

73Saint · 09-19-2017, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Since when did he have an Adderall addiction?

I was being sarcastic, but he has been suspended having it in his system hasn't he? So it wouldn't surprise me.

AsylumGuido · 09-19-2017, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by 73Saint

I was being sarcastic, but he has been suspended having it in his system hasn't he? So it wouldn't surprise me.

It would absolutely shock me. Being in the "program" he is subject to as many as ten random tests per month year round, 24 hours a day. They can call him at any hour and has to be available in 15 minutes. This has been going on for over a year now and will continue. It is impossible for him to be doing anything banned.

73Saint · 09-19-2017, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It would absolutely shock me. Being in the "program" he is subject to as many as ten random tests per month year round, 24 hours a day. They can call him at any hour and has to be available in 15 minutes. This has been going on for over a year now and will continue. It is impossible for him to be doing anything banned.

Then how did it happen in the first place? Did you see him in the post game presser? He was twitching like a frikken rabbit. To say it is impossible for him to be doing anything banned, to me, is a naiive comment.

AsylumGuido · 09-19-2017, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by 73Saint

Then how did it happen in the first place? Did you see him in the post game presser? He was twitching like a frikken rabbit. To say it is impossible for him to be doing anything banned, to me, is a naiive comment.

There is a huge difference between being addicted and having taken something. And, no, I am FAR from naive. I know how the program works and have read all about it and have heard it described by both players in the program and those in charge of the program. The testing is so aggressive it is impossible to be taking a banned substance. They are tested an average of three times per week and on every game day.

Seer1 · 09-19-2017, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I It is impossible for him to be doing anything banned.

Like actually playing safety?

The Dude · 09-19-2017, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It would absolutely shock me. Being in the "program" he is subject to as many as ten random tests per month year round, 24 hours a day. They can call him at any hour and has to be available in 15 minutes. This has been going on for over a year now and will continue. It is impossible for him to be doing anything banned.

Again, no it's not.

AsylumGuido · 09-20-2017, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Again, no it's not.

Again, yes it is. I know you are able to beat your drug testing, but it isn't anywhere near as stringent as what the NFL uses. If you knew when a test was to be given you might be able to slip by it given the right preparation. It IS impossible to successfully navigate 120 random drug tests in a calendar year while using. That is a fact.

The fact is that an athlete in the program is given a baseline test. Any subsequent test not within the bounds of that baseline is considered a failed test. That means any masking agent will create a failed test. A missed test is also considered a failed test. Not answering your phone when the office calls saying they are going to be there in 15 minutes to administer a test is considered a failed test. So, yes, given the frequency and the stringency of the NFL drug testing program it is statistically impossible to be using and pass all tests.

It is an entirely different scenario for players NOT in the program. I will give you that.

09-19-2017, 01:06 PM	#1
73Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NOLA Posts: 2,336	Re: Saints safety Kenny Vaccaro: 'I'm staying here until they don't want me' Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Since when did he have an Adderall addiction? I was being sarcastic, but he has been suspended having it in his system hasn't he? So it wouldn't surprise me.

09-19-2017, 01:11 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Saints safety Kenny Vaccaro: 'I'm staying here until they don't want me' Originally Posted by 73Saint I was being sarcastic, but he has been suspended having it in his system hasn't he? So it wouldn't surprise me. It would absolutely shock me. Being in the "program" he is subject to as many as ten random tests per month year round, 24 hours a day. They can call him at any hour and has to be available in 15 minutes. This has been going on for over a year now and will continue. It is impossible for him to be doing anything banned.

09-19-2017, 01:15 PM	#3
73Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NOLA Posts: 2,336	Re: Saints safety Kenny Vaccaro: 'I'm staying here until they don't want me' Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It would absolutely shock me. Being in the "program" he is subject to as many as ten random tests per month year round, 24 hours a day. They can call him at any hour and has to be available in 15 minutes. This has been going on for over a year now and will continue. It is impossible for him to be doing anything banned. Then how did it happen in the first place? Did you see him in the post game presser? He was twitching like a frikken rabbit. To say it is impossible for him to be doing anything banned, to me, is a naiive comment.

09-19-2017, 01:25 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Saints safety Kenny Vaccaro: 'I'm staying here until they don't want me' Originally Posted by 73Saint Then how did it happen in the first place? Did you see him in the post game presser? He was twitching like a frikken rabbit. To say it is impossible for him to be doing anything banned, to me, is a naiive comment. There is a huge difference between being addicted and having taken something. And, no, I am FAR from naive. I know how the program works and have read all about it and have heard it described by both players in the program and those in charge of the program. The testing is so aggressive it is impossible to be taking a banned substance. They are tested an average of three times per week and on every game day.

09-19-2017, 06:43 PM	#5
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Saints safety Kenny Vaccaro: 'I'm staying here until they don't want me' Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I It is impossible for him to be doing anything banned. Like actually playing safety? K Major likes this.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: Saints safety Kenny Vaccaro: 'I'm staying here until they don't want me' Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It would absolutely shock me. Being in the "program" he is subject to as many as ten random tests per month year round, 24 hours a day. They can call him at any hour and has to be available in 15 minutes. This has been going on for over a year now and will continue. It is impossible for him to be doing anything banned. Again, no it's not.
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09-20-2017, 08:08 AM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Saints safety Kenny Vaccaro: 'I'm staying here until they don't want me' Originally Posted by The Dude Again, no it's not. Again, yes it is. I know you are able to beat your drug testing, but it isn't anywhere near as stringent as what the NFL uses. If you knew when a test was to be given you might be able to slip by it given the right preparation. It IS impossible to successfully navigate 120 random drug tests in a calendar year while using. That is a fact. The fact is that an athlete in the program is given a baseline test. Any subsequent test not within the bounds of that baseline is considered a failed test. That means any masking agent will create a failed test. A missed test is also considered a failed test. Not answering your phone when the office calls saying they are going to be there in 15 minutes to administer a test is considered a failed test. So, yes, given the frequency and the stringency of the NFL drug testing program it is statistically impossible to be using and pass all tests. It is an entirely different scenario for players NOT in the program. I will give you that.
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