Kurt Warner vs. Peyton Manning

Tobias-Reiper · 04-07-2005, 06:47 PM

...because the AFC has the Patriots and the NFC doesn\'t???

GumboBC · 04-07-2005, 06:57 PM

...because the AFC has the Patriots and the NFC doesn\'t???

Peyton got put out of the playoffs when he didn\'t play the Pats. So, that \"theory\" doesn\'t hold water. Not in my book.

I belive the Jets beat Peyton and company something like 55-10.

And some other team beat the Colts pretty handily. I can\'t remember who that was, but Peyton bombed in that game too.

Warner never did that. Warner just made every play and his team did what the did best. WIN!

LKelley67 · 04-08-2005, 01:13 AM

Good point, Peyton is a loser. I\'d take Jim McMahon, Jeff Hostetler, Mark Rypien, Trent Dilfer, and Brad Johnson over him anyday. They went to the big game and won it for their team. Warner will be a Hall of Famer like they will one day. That HOF just screws up sometimes not inviting Superbowl quarterbacks like Chris Chandler and Billy Kilmer while letting people like Dan Fouts in who never even went to the Superbowl. Peyton should be third string backing up to Warner in Arizona. He might get to see how Warner wins it there.

FireVenturi · 04-08-2005, 01:14 AM

I should really stay off of Peyton,cause he did put up 55 on us and could have scored more!!!!

Peyton just happened to be HOT that night. That\'s all it was. Just ask Rick.

YEA...ur right JKOOL, it was a fluke!! Our D is the greatest, we just have bad timing.

WhoDat · 04-08-2005, 09:11 AM

Since so many folks like to blame the QB for everything, I wanted to see if the same guys would blame Peyton.

I see that you guys think Peyton needs help from his teammates. Interesting!!!

To questions:

1) Does Peyton empower and elevate his team\'s play?

2) Is Peyton the best player on his offense?

4saintspirit · 04-08-2005, 09:18 AM

Let me put another spin on it === Martz is an offensive genius -- Dungy is a hack -- Warner for those 2 years was as good as anyone I have ever seen --- however when he started getting sacked he got happy feet and sucked --- Peyton knows how to run an offense -- basically I\'d take Peyton -- (wonder what the stats would be if Peyton played for the rams in those days).

GumboBC · 04-08-2005, 10:11 AM

This discussion went much the way I expected it to.

NO BLAME FOR PEYTON.

You know ... it\'s very funny that some of you love to blame the QB for every problem when it comes to the Saints. You give all kinds of reasons why Brooks is to blame. Most of them don\'t make much sense to me, but, hey ... that\'s just me. Maybe I\'m the crazy one.

Some folks love to talk about \"history\".

Well, take a look at Manning\'s \"playoff\" history.

WhoDat SHOULD be the first one to point out how terrible Peyton has played in the playoffs. EVERY year Peyton stinks it up in the playoffs.

I don\'t agree with folks who try and pin everything on the QB. In fact, I think it speaks directly to their \"lack\" of football knowledge. If indeed they really feel that way.

But if some of you do blame the QB for almost every thing, then be consistent. Use your little blame game for Peyton Manning too!

My work here is done :exclam:

GoldenTomb · 04-08-2005, 11:19 AM

This discussion went much the way I expected it to.

NO BLAME FOR PEYTON.

You know ... it\'s very funny that some of you love to blame the QB for every problem when it comes to the Saints. You give all kinds of reasons why Brooks is to blame. Most of them don\'t make much sense to me, but, hey ... that\'s just me. Maybe I\'m the crazy one.

Some folks love to talk about \"history\".

Well, take a look at Manning\'s \"playoff\" history.

WhoDat SHOULD be the first one to point out how terrible Peyton has played in the playoffs. EVERY year Peyton stinks it up in the playoffs.

I don\'t agree with folks who try and pin everything on the QB. In fact, I think it speaks directly to their \"lack\" of football knowledge. If indeed they really feel that way.

But if some of you do blame the QB for almost every thing, then be consistent. Use your little blame game for Peyton Manning too!

My work here is done :exclam:

So you\'re using this as an example that too many people blame Brooks and not enough people blame Manning???

Yeah well it\'s a lot easier to blame someone when they bring it on themselves. Peyton Manning is an intelligent, hard working student of the game, whereas Aaron Brooks is an overrated, less-than-intelligent primadonna. It\'s a lot easier to believe that Peyton is doing all he can to elevate his team to the next level. It\'s a lot more obvious that he cares about more than just himself. We can\'t say the same for Brooks, can we?

People wouldn\'t be so quick to judge AB if he\'d keep his mouth shut and just produce. When you say you\'re a top 5 QB people expect you to back it up. He did this all to himself.

[Edited on 8/4/2005 by GoldenTomb]

4saintspirit · 04-08-2005, 11:21 AM

Okay Gumbo -- I will give you a little back up --

Peyton does seem to suck in the playoffs --- but in the regular season he has been as close to perfect as a QB can be. AB on the otherhand is inconsistent at best in the regular season --- and well we cannot really judge the playoffs because he can\'t seem to lead us there.

WhoDat · 04-08-2005, 12:15 PM

Man, Billy just opened my eyes. Brooks is a great QB and the rest of the team is holding him down.

The fact the people on this board use Aaron Brooks\' name in the same sentence as Manning, Montana, Elway, and Favre makes me sick.

Why not start comparing Victor Riley to Roosevelt Brown, Anthony Munoz, Jackie Slater, and Dan Dierdorf? I mean, after all, those guys are Hall of Famers and only Riley can rival Brooks\' inconsistency. It makes sense to me.

Dan Hampton, Howie Long, Joe Greene... Jonathan Sullivan.

Ridiculous.

You know what I would love to hear... just once. I would love to hear one Brooks-lover make a legitimate AFFIRMATIVE argument as to why AB is a good QB. Not one of those, well if the WRs would catch the ball, or the linemen would block or the RB wasn\'t hurt whiny arguments.

Tell me why Brooks is better than most QBs in the league right now, and support it with COMPARATIVE stats, scouts/analysts opinions (NOT SAINTS\' OPINIONS), etc.

04-07-2005, 06:47 PM	#21
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Kurt Warner vs. Peyton Manning ...because the AFC has the Patriots and the NFC doesn\'t???

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GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Kurt Warner vs. Peyton Manning ...because the AFC has the Patriots and the NFC doesn\'t??? Peyton got put out of the playoffs when he didn\'t play the Pats. So, that \"theory\" doesn\'t hold water. Not in my book. I belive the Jets beat Peyton and company something like 55-10. And some other team beat the Colts pretty handily. I can\'t remember who that was, but Peyton bombed in that game too. Warner never did that. Warner just made every play and his team did what the did best. WIN!
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04-08-2005, 01:13 AM	#23
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	Kurt Warner vs. Peyton Manning Good point, Peyton is a loser. I\'d take Jim McMahon, Jeff Hostetler, Mark Rypien, Trent Dilfer, and Brad Johnson over him anyday. They went to the big game and won it for their team. Warner will be a Hall of Famer like they will one day. That HOF just screws up sometimes not inviting Superbowl quarterbacks like Chris Chandler and Billy Kilmer while letting people like Dan Fouts in who never even went to the Superbowl. Peyton should be third string backing up to Warner in Arizona. He might get to see how Warner wins it there.

04-08-2005, 01:14 AM	#24
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Kurt Warner vs. Peyton Manning I should really stay off of Peyton,cause he did put up 55 on us and could have scored more!!!! Peyton just happened to be HOT that night. That\'s all it was. Just ask Rick. YEA...ur right JKOOL, it was a fluke!! Our D is the greatest, we just have bad timing.

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WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Kurt Warner vs. Peyton Manning Since so many folks like to blame the QB for everything, I wanted to see if the same guys would blame Peyton. I see that you guys think Peyton needs help from his teammates. Interesting!!! To questions: 1) Does Peyton empower and elevate his team\'s play? 2) Is Peyton the best player on his offense?
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4saintspirit 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 690	Kurt Warner vs. Peyton Manning Let me put another spin on it === Martz is an offensive genius -- Dungy is a hack -- Warner for those 2 years was as good as anyone I have ever seen --- however when he started getting sacked he got happy feet and sucked --- Peyton knows how to run an offense -- basically I\'d take Peyton -- (wonder what the stats would be if Peyton played for the rams in those days).
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04-08-2005, 10:11 AM	#27
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Kurt Warner vs. Peyton Manning This discussion went much the way I expected it to. NO BLAME FOR PEYTON. You know ... it\'s very funny that some of you love to blame the QB for every problem when it comes to the Saints. You give all kinds of reasons why Brooks is to blame. Most of them don\'t make much sense to me, but, hey ... that\'s just me. Maybe I\'m the crazy one. Some folks love to talk about \"history\". Well, take a look at Manning\'s \"playoff\" history. WhoDat SHOULD be the first one to point out how terrible Peyton has played in the playoffs. EVERY year Peyton stinks it up in the playoffs. I don\'t agree with folks who try and pin everything on the QB. In fact, I think it speaks directly to their \"lack\" of football knowledge. If indeed they really feel that way. But if some of you do blame the QB for almost every thing, then be consistent. Use your little blame game for Peyton Manning too! My work here is done :exclam:
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04-08-2005, 11:19 AM	#28
GoldenTomb 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 591	Kurt Warner vs. Peyton Manning This discussion went much the way I expected it to. NO BLAME FOR PEYTON. You know ... it\'s very funny that some of you love to blame the QB for every problem when it comes to the Saints. You give all kinds of reasons why Brooks is to blame. Most of them don\'t make much sense to me, but, hey ... that\'s just me. Maybe I\'m the crazy one. Some folks love to talk about \"history\". Well, take a look at Manning\'s \"playoff\" history. WhoDat SHOULD be the first one to point out how terrible Peyton has played in the playoffs. EVERY year Peyton stinks it up in the playoffs. I don\'t agree with folks who try and pin everything on the QB. In fact, I think it speaks directly to their \"lack\" of football knowledge. If indeed they really feel that way. But if some of you do blame the QB for almost every thing, then be consistent. Use your little blame game for Peyton Manning too! My work here is done :exclam: So you\'re using this as an example that too many people blame Brooks and not enough people blame Manning??? Yeah well it\'s a lot easier to blame someone when they bring it on themselves. Peyton Manning is an intelligent, hard working student of the game, whereas Aaron Brooks is an overrated, less-than-intelligent primadonna. It\'s a lot easier to believe that Peyton is doing all he can to elevate his team to the next level. It\'s a lot more obvious that he cares about more than just himself. We can\'t say the same for Brooks, can we? People wouldn\'t be so quick to judge AB if he\'d keep his mouth shut and just produce. When you say you\'re a top 5 QB people expect you to back it up. He did this all to himself. [Edited on 8/4/2005 by GoldenTomb]
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04-08-2005, 11:21 AM	#29
4saintspirit 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 690	Kurt Warner vs. Peyton Manning Okay Gumbo -- I will give you a little back up -- Peyton does seem to suck in the playoffs --- but in the regular season he has been as close to perfect as a QB can be. AB on the otherhand is inconsistent at best in the regular season --- and well we cannot really judge the playoffs because he can\'t seem to lead us there.
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04-08-2005, 12:15 PM	#30
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Kurt Warner vs. Peyton Manning Man, Billy just opened my eyes. Brooks is a great QB and the rest of the team is holding him down. The fact the people on this board use Aaron Brooks\' name in the same sentence as Manning, Montana, Elway, and Favre makes me sick. Why not start comparing Victor Riley to Roosevelt Brown, Anthony Munoz, Jackie Slater, and Dan Dierdorf? I mean, after all, those guys are Hall of Famers and only Riley can rival Brooks\' inconsistency. It makes sense to me. Dan Hampton, Howie Long, Joe Greene... Jonathan Sullivan. Ridiculous. You know what I would love to hear... just once. I would love to hear one Brooks-lover make a legitimate AFFIRMATIVE argument as to why AB is a good QB. Not one of those, well if the WRs would catch the ball, or the linemen would block or the RB wasn\'t hurt whiny arguments. Tell me why Brooks is better than most QBs in the league right now, and support it with COMPARATIVE stats, scouts/analysts opinions (NOT SAINTS\' OPINIONS), etc.
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