LordOfEntropy

Sounds reasonable.

LKelley67

they have done well when someone has \"fallen\" to them that they cannot pass up. let\'s pray the draft gods smile on them again. it\'s when the board is open and they make a bold move they seem to make the most screw ups.

yasoon

Anyone know where there\'s a link that shows all current NFL starters and the breakdown of the round they went in? LK?

It would be really interesting to see how that breaks down across the league. How many more 1st rounders are starting than each of the other rounds. For every great one, there\'s a bust. (manning/leaf) And every year there are these late round guys that step up.

LKelley67

dunno of a list like that. you can find some good draft history in the draft link thread i reposted tho.

imo, the most successful fo\'s are one that not so much find late round gems. those are far and few in between and i dunno if you could find any scouts that have a flawless record on project players. the most success i believe comes from not making bust picks on the first day, paricularly the first 3 rounds. they may not be great but they do need to play and have an impact. i\'ll check a few of those sometime soon. of course, savvy free agent signings and trades have been a part of all successful teams. unfortunately the saints have a long dismal record except in the finks to mueller era. think pats and eagles in superbowl. i think corey dillon, t.o., and kearse trade signings. good teams that spotted what the need was and addressed it pointedly. as much as i hope levar fisher does well i cannot yet see him being a high impact player to a real area of need.

[Edited on 8/4/2005 by LKelley67]

blake6900

I know this is outta the blue but I think the Saints will trade to move up, possibly with Howard in the deal, and they\'ll pick a quarterback, perhaps Adrian Petersen. Why? Because Brooks played better when he didn\'t know how long he was gonna be the starter. The minute he had no competition his quality of play suffered. His Top 5 QB status waned. (Notice I said \"his quality of play\", not his stats. This has always been AB\'s problem. He doesn\'t know the difference between the two.)


Do I think this is the right move? Not necessarily. But the Saints always do the unexpected in the draft. And no one can question the pick of Duece, can they? Grabbing a QB lights a fire under Brooks\' butt and builds for the future. Does anyone doubt Brooks will insist on Peyton Manning money in the near future based on his \"stats\"? I don\'t. But I do expect a demand for a contract extension from him. And soon.

yasoon

LK:

I agree with you, it\'s not so much about drafting a superstar as much as it is consistently getting starters. I would rather a draft that produces 4 solid starters over 1 superstar. Even the best FOs grab busts, some of which are just bad luck.

The thing that makes me mad with the Saints is reading about a guy like Sully who had work ethic questions coming in and we made an aggressive move to get him. You don\'t trade up to grab a buy with those types of question marks.

This is why Crowder scares me. Knee problems for a rookie? He may be a stud, but we have proven that we can find the guy who will live up to his red flags. Give me a guy with a brain, some skills, a clean bill of health, and no rap sheet. If THAT guy blows his knee, that\'s bad luck. If a lazy guy gets fat, that just means you didn\'t do your homework (or you didn\'t push the right buttons).

baronm

if we move up and grab ADrian Mcperson with a first rounder--and a high first rounder at that..I\'m going to stop rooting for the saints...that would be dumber than sully.

LKelley67

nah, here\'s a nightmare...
1st Rd- Matt Jones, ARK, \"we\'ll find a place for him\"
2nd Rd- Adrian MacPherson, Arena League, \"Unlimited Potential\"
3rd Rd- Maurice Clarett, Nowhere, \"We believe he will surprise people\"

baronm

sorry that\'s tooo perfect--I gotta use that as my sig..do ya mind? what would make it even better is if they tried to say Jones is a safety, Macpherson is a cb and Clarrett is a linebacker....

yasoon

I agree that Jones wouldn\'t be good for the Saints current situation, but he could be a player.
AP....what would be better than AB jr?