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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Ya know, that statement was not meant as a direct relation to you, it was a comment on your smoke and mirrors approach. The wizard was a fraud who used smoke and mirrors, and I used in as to how ...
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04-08-2005, 07:55 PM | #21 |
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Ya know, that statement was not meant as a direct relation to you, it was a comment on your smoke and mirrors approach. The wizard was a fraud who used smoke and mirrors, and I used in as to how I saw the current approach you are using. You are not a fraud(most times, remember the AB QB challenge thread ), but this smoke and mirrors approach to your argument was IMO. Don\'t take it personal. We are beyond those days.
Second thing, I won\'t even continue with this debate, it shows me clearly why I decided to refrain a month or so back. You don\'t read what is said to you, introduce items from previous arguments that have no bearing on this one, and make the same statements over and over and never discuss their rebuttles. Maybe someone else can have some fun continuing. |
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However, its become clear to me that the guys who run this board have a hard time controlling things and I really don\'t want to put them in the middle of it. I think Halo and JoeSam will tell you that I\'ve caused my fair share of problems here at B&G and they\'ve been very fair to me and I just want to treat them with more respect. Not that I won\'t stir the pot at times, though ... Oh yeah ... I read what you post but you get so far off track and I just bring it back on point. That\'s all I\'m doing. We can drop this discussion. No hard feelings. [Edited on 9/4/2005 by GumboBC] |
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(1) Arguments can be made with our making comments about the other posters\' intentions. This is where many things get way off track. If someone is not responding to items put forth in a way you feel is adquate, it suffices to ask them to respond - if they do not, drop it. Furthermore, comments about other posters\' behaviors is almost always irrelevant information wise. Sure lots of us feel like we\'re friends here and have a good time poking fun at each other, but I feel like sometimes it sets a bad example for new posters. So in my role as a moderator, I ask people to please stop trying to figure out why people do things on the main forum (you can always PM them or put it in the everything else board). Just so no one takes this the wrong way: that is for everyone, and I do it only insofar as my job description seems to make it necessary.
(2) Imagine someone gave you the following argument: 1. The Super Bowl can be won by teams that turns the ball over nearly 30 times (and it has happened at least twice) 2. A given team, call it X, turns the ball over 25 times. Therefore, 3. Team X didn\'t win the SB because of turnovers. Which entails, 4. Team X didn\'t make the playoffs because of turnovers. Does that argument sound right? I think that turnovers do matter, but it isn\'t actually the number of them that matters most. It is the nature of the turnover - that is why there is a stat for points off turnovers. That isn\'t even the most important thing to consider - it seems to me when during the game the turnover occurs, where on the field, the score at the time and so on. Thus, turnovers is an ambiguous stat when evaluating an offense. This is why Whodi\'s red zone turnover stat is more interesting than a general turnover stat. (3) No one player is responsible for our offensive or defensive rankings. Sure arguments can be made for how much of the responsibility lies on one player, but any argument that points to just one guy in a team game give me reason to pause. [Edited on 9/4/2005 by JKool] |
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hey gumbo is always good to get some post out of people. got to like that. im not even sure he beleives what he says. even if he does were all the better for it
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how come realists get labeled pessimists?
LOL ya know it happens in most things beyond the saints world as well. |
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Some people just focus on whats wrong. (Pessimists) Some people just focus on whats right. (Optimists) I think both sides think they\'re realists and feel the other side are idiots. |
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I\'ve never been shy in my criicisms of AB, but I\'ll not go so far as to say I think he\'s the only thing keeping us back. Football is a team game, and unique in the fact that offenses and defenses are seperate units with different players entirely. It takes a strong effort on both sides of the ball to win the big one. |
04-09-2005, 10:04 AM | #30 |
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Zero right, but \"some fans\" still know what\'s really going on around here. LMAO. |