Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks?

GumboBC · 04-09-2005, 02:50 PM

just a little info from an article I was reading:

The NFL emphasizes that its ratings system assesses how well a quarterback passes, not how well a quarterback plays. It doesn\'t account for rushing yardage or rushing touchdowns, nor does it account for variables such as leadership, play calling, or how good the team\'s wide receivers or offensive linemen are. But as this article points out, the NFL\'s ratings system is also limited in how well it measures passing. The system doesn\'t value third-down conversions, avoidance of sacks, or late-game heroics. (It actually penalizes a quarterback who throws an incompletion to avoid a sack.) John Elway\'s career passer rating is 79.9, good for 33rd overall, below lesser contemporary QBs such as Neil Lomax and Danny White.

One other problem with the NFL\'s system: In the modern NFL, the average rating is higher than 66.7. That\'s because the scores are calculated based on what the NFL thought would be average statistics for a quarterback in 1973, when the system was introduced. But in 1978, the NFL changed its rules to open up the passing game, by prohibiting defenders from bumping receivers downfield and by allowing offensive linemen to extend their arms to pass-block. As a result, modern-day QBs dominate the list of all-time passers. (Though old Cleveland Browns great Otto Graham still ranks third. Click here to view the list kept by the Pro Football Hall of Fame. You\'ll need Adobe Acrobat to view it.) Last year\'s average passer rating was 78.1, roughly equivalent to the career rating for Johnny Unitas.

Next question?

pensacola · 04-10-2005, 07:40 AM

[quote:c75ea76efb]I\'d like everyone to give me your top-10 ACTIVE QBs in the NFL.

Also, I\'d like for everyone to make a brief statement as to why you like them. Brief statement please.

Hey Gumbo. What\'s with copying my \'post\' from Saintreport.com? Be original dude!

WhoDat · 04-10-2005, 10:01 AM

I hope whodat was kidding by putting Peyton at #1. He has all of the talent and all of the choking ability.

So if you had to start a team from scratch and you had to chose b/w Manning and Brady you pick Brady?

Let me know how that works out ...

WhoDat\'s problem is that he doesn\'t realize that the QB is affected more than any other \"single\" player by his teammate\'s play.

WhoDat prefers to hold Brooks soley responsible for completion percentage, not scoring enough in the first quarter (that fits this year so he uses it) QB rating, etc., ect.,...

WhoDat used to say the samething about McNabb when he never completed 60% of his passes. WhoDat said McNabb wasn\'t accurate enough and that\'s why he was below 60%. But McNabb proved him wrong.

Hell, Dan Marino only completed 60% of his passes TWICE in his first 10-years in the NFL. But that\'s Marino. I\'m sure WhoDat would make excuses for Marino and put the blame somewhere else.

BUT ... didn\'t WhoDat just say he preferred to place the blame on the QB and not somewhere else? I\'m sure he said that!!

As I said earlier, I would rather \"discuss\" things. There was no criticism from me, whodi. Just discussion.

You\'ll understand that concept one day. Hopefully ...

So might you... but given your inability to learn new things, I doubt it.

I\'ll be awaiting your apology.

WhoDat · 04-10-2005, 10:11 AM

WhoDat used to say the samething about McNabb when he never completed 60% of his passes. WhoDat said McNabb wasn\'t accurate enough and that\'s why he was below 60%. But McNabb proved him wrong.

And this is an absolutely perfect post which demonstrates maybe better than any I have seen yet how you simply have never understood my point, and never will b/c you have Brooks blinders on.

You are correct that I criticized McNabb in the past. Culpepper and Vick too. I have said over and over again that the athletic \"play-maker\" QBs can be good, but won\'t help put their teams over the hump until they become efficient. Did I not say that? Have I not always said that efficiency and effectiveness is more important than athleticism and play-making ability at the QB position?

You are absolutely right I have said that. NEVER, and I mean NEVER, did I say that McNabb COULD NOT become more efficient. I did say that I did not believe that the athletic QBs would outperform the efficient ones in terms of SB appearances.

It\'s funny that you use McNabb, let\'s look at his numbers, shall we?

2000 - QB rating: 77.8 (no SB)
2001 - QB rating: 84.3 (no SB)
2002 - QB rating: 86 (no SB)
2003 - QB rating: 79.6 (no SB)
2004 - QB rating: 104.7 (SUPER BOWL)

Wow. So you mean when McNabb finally got his QB rating up from the AB numbers to the top NFL range in efficiency his team made it all the way. Hhmmm.

So in other words, you\'ve just proven my point perfectly. Athletic QBs can be pretty successful in the NFL, but until they learn how to play the QB position efficiently, they won\'t go all the way. Thanks Billy, I couldn\'t have thought of a better way to prove me right and you wrong. You\'re very good at that.

WhoDat · 04-10-2005, 10:19 AM

There are a MILLION things that are wrong with using the QB rating to judge a QB. Most players, fans, and even agents agree. Some people just like numbers I guess.

You\'re right. QB rating isn\'t the only thing. Other things are important. Like smarts (AB wonderlic:17), leadership, attitude, ability to read a defense, ability to throw all the passes, accuracy, progress, etc....

How would you rank AB in those categories? LOL.

AB is Jeff George. Big arm, big raw stats, will never be more than average. But go ahead and prove me wrong. Make the affirmative argument just one time. Bet you you can\'t.

FireVenturi · 04-10-2005, 12:39 PM

Saintfan has some good points about how it don\'t make sense how they compile the stats as far as QB rating is concerned.

saintz08 · 04-10-2005, 01:26 PM

The QB rating doesn\'t factor in a LOT of things. Something that jumps out at me...well...a couple things:

3 10 yard passes, TD. QB rating in the 140\'s.

2 incompletions and a 30 yard TD pass on 3rd down. QB rating 111-ish.

QB completes a 5 yard pass behind the line of scrimmage for a 5 yard loss and his rating will be better than that of the QB who chose instead to throw the ball away.

Weather isn\'t a factor, which is one of the reasons you\'ll never see Brady\'s rating top Mannings.

It doesn\'t factor in poor route running or WR\'s dropping catchable passes.

There are a MILLION things that are wrong with using the QB rating to judge a QB. Most players, fans, and even agents agree. Some people just like numbers I guess.

Does not factor in when he has the flu
Does not factor in when he has a hemmoroid
Does not factor in when the lineman steps on his foot
Does not factor in when the receiver catches a poorly thrown ball

Does not factor in a hail mary as a dumb luck pass ....

FireVenturi · 04-11-2005, 12:54 AM

Does not factor when a Wr drops a perfect pass.....

Except for givin the QB an incompletion!

GoldenTomb · 04-11-2005, 09:49 AM

The QB rating doesn\'t factor in a LOT of things. Something that jumps out at me...well...a couple things:

3 10 yard passes, TD. QB rating in the 140\'s.

2 incompletions and a 30 yard TD pass on 3rd down. QB rating 111-ish.

QB completes a 5 yard pass behind the line of scrimmage for a 5 yard loss and his rating will be better than that of the QB who chose instead to throw the ball away.

Weather isn\'t a factor, which is one of the reasons you\'ll never see Brady\'s rating top Mannings.

It doesn\'t factor in poor route running or WR\'s dropping catchable passes.

There are a MILLION things that are wrong with using the QB rating to judge a QB. Most players, fans, and even agents agree. Some people just like numbers I guess.

Does not factor in when he has the flu
Does not factor in when he has a hemmoroid
Does not factor in when the lineman steps on his foot
Does not factor in when the receiver catches a poorly thrown ball

Does not factor in a hail mary as a dumb luck pass ....

The problem is that in the beginning of this post, an objective question was asked. To answer the question, all anyone would have had to do is to look up the QB rating of all active QBs and list the 10 highest. Like it or not, the QB rating is the standardized criterion for measuring a QBs efficiency. It\'s calculated using stats that are most relavant to the QB position. It\'s the same for everyone. It\'s true that any one of those things mentioned above could happen to alter a QB\'s performance, but for the most part, the QB rating is highly reliable in determining a QBs efficiency.

It can be assumed that most of the time, QBs will not have the flu, hemmoroids, have a lineman step of his foot, or have a reciever catch a poorly thrown pass. These instances occur relatively infrequently and therefore aren\'t signifacant enough to factor in. The majority of time, the QB will throw perform at a level which is congruent to his talent level. Those things listed above happen from time to time, and they happen to all QBs just the same. The best QBs have high ratings IN SPITE of uncontrollable circumstances, so it all washes out in the end.

[Edited on 11/4/2005 by GoldenTomb]

WhoDat · 04-11-2005, 12:43 PM

You mean Billy hasn\'t responded yet... shocker.

04-09-2005, 02:50 PM	#41
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks? just a little info from an article I was reading: The NFL emphasizes that its ratings system assesses how well a quarterback passes, not how well a quarterback plays. It doesn\'t account for rushing yardage or rushing touchdowns, nor does it account for variables such as leadership, play calling, or how good the team\'s wide receivers or offensive linemen are. But as this article points out, the NFL\'s ratings system is also limited in how well it measures passing. The system doesn\'t value third-down conversions, avoidance of sacks, or late-game heroics. (It actually penalizes a quarterback who throws an incompletion to avoid a sack.) John Elway\'s career passer rating is 79.9, good for 33rd overall, below lesser contemporary QBs such as Neil Lomax and Danny White. One other problem with the NFL\'s system: In the modern NFL, the average rating is higher than 66.7. That\'s because the scores are calculated based on what the NFL thought would be average statistics for a quarterback in 1973, when the system was introduced. But in 1978, the NFL changed its rules to open up the passing game, by prohibiting defenders from bumping receivers downfield and by allowing offensive linemen to extend their arms to pass-block. As a result, modern-day QBs dominate the list of all-time passers. (Though old Cleveland Browns great Otto Graham still ranks third. Click here to view the list kept by the Pro Football Hall of Fame. You\'ll need Adobe Acrobat to view it.) Last year\'s average passer rating was 78.1, roughly equivalent to the career rating for Johnny Unitas. Next question?
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04-10-2005, 07:40 AM	#42
pensacola Rookie Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1	Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks? [quote:c75ea76efb]I\'d like everyone to give me your top-10 ACTIVE QBs in the NFL. Also, I\'d like for everyone to make a brief statement as to why you like them. Brief statement please. Hey Gumbo. What\'s with copying my \'post\' from Saintreport.com? Be original dude!
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04-10-2005, 10:01 AM	#43
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks? I hope whodat was kidding by putting Peyton at #1. He has all of the talent and all of the choking ability. So if you had to start a team from scratch and you had to chose b/w Manning and Brady you pick Brady? Let me know how that works out ... WhoDat\'s problem is that he doesn\'t realize that the QB is affected more than any other \"single\" player by his teammate\'s play. WhoDat prefers to hold Brooks soley responsible for completion percentage, not scoring enough in the first quarter (that fits this year so he uses it) QB rating, etc., ect.,... WhoDat used to say the samething about McNabb when he never completed 60% of his passes. WhoDat said McNabb wasn\'t accurate enough and that\'s why he was below 60%. But McNabb proved him wrong. Hell, Dan Marino only completed 60% of his passes TWICE in his first 10-years in the NFL. But that\'s Marino. I\'m sure WhoDat would make excuses for Marino and put the blame somewhere else. BUT ... didn\'t WhoDat just say he preferred to place the blame on the QB and not somewhere else? I\'m sure he said that!! As I said earlier, I would rather \"discuss\" things. There was no criticism from me, whodi. Just discussion. You\'ll understand that concept one day. Hopefully ... So might you... but given your inability to learn new things, I doubt it. I\'ll be awaiting your apology.
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WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks? WhoDat used to say the samething about McNabb when he never completed 60% of his passes. WhoDat said McNabb wasn\'t accurate enough and that\'s why he was below 60%. But McNabb proved him wrong. And this is an absolutely perfect post which demonstrates maybe better than any I have seen yet how you simply have never understood my point, and never will b/c you have Brooks blinders on. You are correct that I criticized McNabb in the past. Culpepper and Vick too. I have said over and over again that the athletic \"play-maker\" QBs can be good, but won\'t help put their teams over the hump until they become efficient. Did I not say that? Have I not always said that efficiency and effectiveness is more important than athleticism and play-making ability at the QB position? You are absolutely right I have said that. NEVER, and I mean NEVER, did I say that McNabb COULD NOT become more efficient. I did say that I did not believe that the athletic QBs would outperform the efficient ones in terms of SB appearances. It\'s funny that you use McNabb, let\'s look at his numbers, shall we? 2000 - QB rating: 77.8 (no SB) 2001 - QB rating: 84.3 (no SB) 2002 - QB rating: 86 (no SB) 2003 - QB rating: 79.6 (no SB) 2004 - QB rating: 104.7 (SUPER BOWL) Wow. So you mean when McNabb finally got his QB rating up from the AB numbers to the top NFL range in efficiency his team made it all the way. Hhmmm. So in other words, you\'ve just proven my point perfectly. Athletic QBs can be pretty successful in the NFL, but until they learn how to play the QB position efficiently, they won\'t go all the way. Thanks Billy, I couldn\'t have thought of a better way to prove me right and you wrong. You\'re very good at that.
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WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks? There are a MILLION things that are wrong with using the QB rating to judge a QB. Most players, fans, and even agents agree. Some people just like numbers I guess. You\'re right. QB rating isn\'t the only thing. Other things are important. Like smarts (AB wonderlic:17), leadership, attitude, ability to read a defense, ability to throw all the passes, accuracy, progress, etc.... How would you rank AB in those categories? LOL. AB is Jeff George. Big arm, big raw stats, will never be more than average. But go ahead and prove me wrong. Make the affirmative argument just one time. Bet you you can\'t.
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saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks? The QB rating doesn\'t factor in a LOT of things. Something that jumps out at me...well...a couple things: 3 10 yard passes, TD. QB rating in the 140\'s. 2 incompletions and a 30 yard TD pass on 3rd down. QB rating 111-ish. QB completes a 5 yard pass behind the line of scrimmage for a 5 yard loss and his rating will be better than that of the QB who chose instead to throw the ball away. Weather isn\'t a factor, which is one of the reasons you\'ll never see Brady\'s rating top Mannings. It doesn\'t factor in poor route running or WR\'s dropping catchable passes. There are a MILLION things that are wrong with using the QB rating to judge a QB. Most players, fans, and even agents agree. Some people just like numbers I guess. Does not factor in when he has the flu Does not factor in when he has a hemmoroid Does not factor in when the lineman steps on his foot Does not factor in when the receiver catches a poorly thrown ball Does not factor in a hail mary as a dumb luck pass ....
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04-11-2005, 09:49 AM	#49
GoldenTomb 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 591	Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks? The QB rating doesn\'t factor in a LOT of things. Something that jumps out at me...well...a couple things: 3 10 yard passes, TD. QB rating in the 140\'s. 2 incompletions and a 30 yard TD pass on 3rd down. QB rating 111-ish. QB completes a 5 yard pass behind the line of scrimmage for a 5 yard loss and his rating will be better than that of the QB who chose instead to throw the ball away. Weather isn\'t a factor, which is one of the reasons you\'ll never see Brady\'s rating top Mannings. It doesn\'t factor in poor route running or WR\'s dropping catchable passes. There are a MILLION things that are wrong with using the QB rating to judge a QB. Most players, fans, and even agents agree. Some people just like numbers I guess. Does not factor in when he has the flu Does not factor in when he has a hemmoroid Does not factor in when the lineman steps on his foot Does not factor in when the receiver catches a poorly thrown ball Does not factor in a hail mary as a dumb luck pass .... The problem is that in the beginning of this post, an objective question was asked. To answer the question, all anyone would have had to do is to look up the QB rating of all active QBs and list the 10 highest. Like it or not, the QB rating is the standardized criterion for measuring a QBs efficiency. It\'s calculated using stats that are most relavant to the QB position. It\'s the same for everyone. It\'s true that any one of those things mentioned above could happen to alter a QB\'s performance, but for the most part, the QB rating is highly reliable in determining a QBs efficiency. It can be assumed that most of the time, QBs will not have the flu, hemmoroids, have a lineman step of his foot, or have a reciever catch a poorly thrown pass. These instances occur relatively infrequently and therefore aren\'t signifacant enough to factor in. The majority of time, the QB will throw perform at a level which is congruent to his talent level. Those things listed above happen from time to time, and they happen to all QBs just the same. The best QBs have high ratings IN SPITE of uncontrollable circumstances, so it all washes out in the end. [Edited on 11/4/2005 by GoldenTomb]
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WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks? You mean Billy hasn\'t responded yet... shocker.
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