Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks?

GumboBC · 04-11-2005, 12:48 PM

WhoDat --

I\'ve already exposed the Passer Rating System for the fraud that it is.

Jeff George is the 29th best passer in the history of the NFL accoding to Passer Rating.

Phil Simms is ranked 36th. Seven spots behind Jeff George and they both played in the same era.

Neil Lomax is the 10th best QB in the history of the NFL.

Yeah, Passer Ratings tells me who the best QBs are.

Carry on though.

And for as much as you criticized McNabb in the past. His Passer Ratings got him to 3 straight NFC championship games and to one superbowl.

I\'ll take those Passer Ratings .... whatever they may be.

Why don\'t you start a thread and tell us how bad McNabb is as a passer. Like you\'ve done in year\'s past.

[Edited on 11/4/2005 by GumboBC]

WhoDat · 04-11-2005, 01:02 PM

Why don\'t you start a thread and tell us how bad McNabb is as a passer. Like you\'ve done in year\'s past.

LOL. So your contention then is that McNabb HAS BEEN A GOOD PASSER in years past? I\'d love to hear you explain that one.

McNabb has been about as good as it gets for an athletic scrambler, but he hasn\'t been a particularly good passer.

You find one article that shows one guy\'s opinion on passer rating, and it overrules everything the NFL, analysts, all-time greats, etc. think about the measure. Sure Billy. That\'s still why you think AB is a great QB. One article somewhere said so - it probably quoted Haslett and AB himself. Nevermind the tons of print that has come out and said otherwise - there was that ONE article that said so.

You must still think that there are WMDs in Iraq too huh? LMAO. It\'s good enough for the NFL - but b/c it hurts Billy\'s \"I love AB at all costs\" agenda, it\'s not good enough for him. Who is surprised?

mutineer10 · 04-11-2005, 06:57 PM

Neil Lomax is the 10th best QB in the history of the NFL.

Damn right he is...

---But seriously, my list:

1. Peyton Manning - Sure, chokes in the big one, but it\'d be the Colts in the Super Bowl every year if they had the Patriots D. Given raw skill, talent and brains, he has no match in today\'s NFL.
2. Tom Brady - Just wins, baby. And has the hardware to prove it. Still improving as a player. Brains make up for mediocre athletic ability.
3. Donovan McNabb - Got it done for a number of years with little talent surrounding him. This past year really showed what he can do with a little WR help.
4. Daunte Culpepper - Losing Moss is really gonna hurt (as it did when he was injured last season), but Culpepper still has the tools and talent. Amazing scrambler for a man his size.
5. Brett Favre - Still a joy to watch him play. Finally slipping a bit, but probably the most deadly QB in the game when he\'s hot. Given the losses along the Packers line, may regret returning, but is one of the most durable players in NFL history.
6. Trent Green - Still pouring on the heat in KC with virtually no real talent at WR. Getting up there in age, but is a steady veteran who finds the open man.
7. Steve McNair - May finally be losing the battle with injuries, but offseason surgery for a previously undiscovered condition could be just the ticket. Gonna be tough for him now that all his surrounding talent is gone.
8. Ben Roethlisberger - Hard to argue with any QB who guides his team to 15-1, rookie or not. Will never put up huge numbers in Cowher\'s system, but they don\'t expect him to. Showed amazing poise and toughness for a first-year starter.
9. Michael Vick/Ron Mexico - Hard to like a QB who can\'t throw the ball, but you can\'t argue against his playmaking ability. I don\'t think the West Coast offense will ever fit him, but the Buzzards didn\'t go from the cellar to the rooftop on defense alone.
10. Drew Brees - Finally seemed to \"get it\" when some real competition was brought in. If he can build off last season, this kid will be dangerous for years to come. Won\'t hurt that SD has a wealth of draft picks to play with now, too.

Tobias-Reiper · 04-12-2005, 02:11 AM

Neil Lomax is the 10th best QB in the history of the NFL.

Damn right he is...

---But seriously, my list:

1. Peyton Manning - Sure, chokes in the big one, but it\'d be the Colts in the Super Bowl every year if they had the Patriots D. Given raw skill, talent and brains, he has no match in today\'s NFL.
2. Tom Brady - Just wins, baby. And has the hardware to prove it. Still improving as a player. Brains make up for mediocre athletic ability.
3. Donovan McNabb - Got it done for a number of years with little talent surrounding him. This past year really showed what he can do with a little WR help.
4. Daunte Culpepper - Losing Moss is really gonna hurt (as it did when he was injured last season), but Culpepper still has the tools and talent. Amazing scrambler for a man his size.
5. Brett Favre - Still a joy to watch him play. Finally slipping a bit, but probably the most deadly QB in the game when he\'s hot. Given the losses along the Packers line, may regret returning, but is one of the most durable players in NFL history.
6. Trent Green - Still pouring on the heat in KC with virtually no real talent at WR. Getting up there in age, but is a steady veteran who finds the open man.
7. Steve McNair - May finally be losing the battle with injuries, but offseason surgery for a previously undiscovered condition could be just the ticket. Gonna be tough for him now that all his surrounding talent is gone.
8. Ben Roethlisberger - Hard to argue with any QB who guides his team to 15-1, rookie or not. Will never put up huge numbers in Cowher\'s system, but they don\'t expect him to. Showed amazing poise and toughness for a first-year starter.
9. Michael Vick/Ron Mexico - Hard to like a QB who can\'t throw the ball, but you can\'t argue against his playmaking ability. I don\'t think the West Coast offense will ever fit him, but the Buzzards didn\'t go from the cellar to the rooftop on defense alone.
10. Drew Brees - Finally seemed to \"get it\" when some real competition was brought in. If he can build off last season, this kid will be dangerous for years to come. Won\'t hurt that SD has a wealth of draft picks to play with now, too.

...not a bad list, but I\'d put Matt Hasselbeck today before Favre and Mcnair, and any day before Brees...

mutineer10 · 04-12-2005, 03:32 AM

...not a bad list, but I\'d put Matt Hasselbeck today before Favre and Mcnair, and any day before Brees...

I really considered bumping Brees to 9th and putting Hasselbeck at 10th, but instead believed the hype and put Vick/Mexico on the list. Hasselbeck\'s alot better than he\'s given credit for, especially considering that his numbers would be even more impressive if he didn\'t have the most dropsy-ridden WR corps in the entire league. Still puzzles me that Rice wasn\'t on the field in the playoffs, when Jackson stunned no one (including Hasselbeck, probably) by dropping the game-winning TD pass in the end zone.

saintswhodi · 04-12-2005, 10:18 AM

when Jackson stunned no one (including Hasselbeck, probably) by dropping the game-winning TD pass in the end zone

That was Bobby Engram not Jackson. Still shouldn\'t have been a shock though.

natedogg02 · 04-12-2005, 02:34 PM

I like how this thread went from rating top 10 QBs to arguing about how everyone ranked them.

04-11-2005, 12:48 PM	#51
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks? WhoDat -- I\'ve already exposed the Passer Rating System for the fraud that it is. Jeff George is the 29th best passer in the history of the NFL accoding to Passer Rating. Phil Simms is ranked 36th. Seven spots behind Jeff George and they both played in the same era. Neil Lomax is the 10th best QB in the history of the NFL. Yeah, Passer Ratings tells me who the best QBs are. Carry on though. And for as much as you criticized McNabb in the past. His Passer Ratings got him to 3 straight NFC championship games and to one superbowl. I\'ll take those Passer Ratings .... whatever they may be. Why don\'t you start a thread and tell us how bad McNabb is as a passer. Like you\'ve done in year\'s past. [Edited on 11/4/2005 by GumboBC]
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04-11-2005, 01:02 PM	#52
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks? Why don\'t you start a thread and tell us how bad McNabb is as a passer. Like you\'ve done in year\'s past. LOL. So your contention then is that McNabb HAS BEEN A GOOD PASSER in years past? I\'d love to hear you explain that one. McNabb has been about as good as it gets for an athletic scrambler, but he hasn\'t been a particularly good passer. You find one article that shows one guy\'s opinion on passer rating, and it overrules everything the NFL, analysts, all-time greats, etc. think about the measure. Sure Billy. That\'s still why you think AB is a great QB. One article somewhere said so - it probably quoted Haslett and AB himself. Nevermind the tons of print that has come out and said otherwise - there was that ONE article that said so. You must still think that there are WMDs in Iraq too huh? LMAO. It\'s good enough for the NFL - but b/c it hurts Billy\'s \"I love AB at all costs\" agenda, it\'s not good enough for him. Who is surprised?
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04-11-2005, 06:57 PM	#53
mutineer10 Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 1,739	Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks? Neil Lomax is the 10th best QB in the history of the NFL. Damn right he is... ---But seriously, my list: 1. Peyton Manning - Sure, chokes in the big one, but it\'d be the Colts in the Super Bowl every year if they had the Patriots D. Given raw skill, talent and brains, he has no match in today\'s NFL. 2. Tom Brady - Just wins, baby. And has the hardware to prove it. Still improving as a player. Brains make up for mediocre athletic ability. 3. Donovan McNabb - Got it done for a number of years with little talent surrounding him. This past year really showed what he can do with a little WR help. 4. Daunte Culpepper - Losing Moss is really gonna hurt (as it did when he was injured last season), but Culpepper still has the tools and talent. Amazing scrambler for a man his size. 5. Brett Favre - Still a joy to watch him play. Finally slipping a bit, but probably the most deadly QB in the game when he\'s hot. Given the losses along the Packers line, may regret returning, but is one of the most durable players in NFL history. 6. Trent Green - Still pouring on the heat in KC with virtually no real talent at WR. Getting up there in age, but is a steady veteran who finds the open man. 7. Steve McNair - May finally be losing the battle with injuries, but offseason surgery for a previously undiscovered condition could be just the ticket. Gonna be tough for him now that all his surrounding talent is gone. 8. Ben Roethlisberger - Hard to argue with any QB who guides his team to 15-1, rookie or not. Will never put up huge numbers in Cowher\'s system, but they don\'t expect him to. Showed amazing poise and toughness for a first-year starter. 9. Michael Vick/Ron Mexico - Hard to like a QB who can\'t throw the ball, but you can\'t argue against his playmaking ability. I don\'t think the West Coast offense will ever fit him, but the Buzzards didn\'t go from the cellar to the rooftop on defense alone. 10. Drew Brees - Finally seemed to \"get it\" when some real competition was brought in. If he can build off last season, this kid will be dangerous for years to come. Won\'t hurt that SD has a wealth of draft picks to play with now, too.

04-12-2005, 02:11 AM	#54
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks? Neil Lomax is the 10th best QB in the history of the NFL. Damn right he is... ---But seriously, my list: 1. Peyton Manning - Sure, chokes in the big one, but it\'d be the Colts in the Super Bowl every year if they had the Patriots D. Given raw skill, talent and brains, he has no match in today\'s NFL. 2. Tom Brady - Just wins, baby. And has the hardware to prove it. Still improving as a player. Brains make up for mediocre athletic ability. 3. Donovan McNabb - Got it done for a number of years with little talent surrounding him. This past year really showed what he can do with a little WR help. 4. Daunte Culpepper - Losing Moss is really gonna hurt (as it did when he was injured last season), but Culpepper still has the tools and talent. Amazing scrambler for a man his size. 5. Brett Favre - Still a joy to watch him play. Finally slipping a bit, but probably the most deadly QB in the game when he\'s hot. Given the losses along the Packers line, may regret returning, but is one of the most durable players in NFL history. 6. Trent Green - Still pouring on the heat in KC with virtually no real talent at WR. Getting up there in age, but is a steady veteran who finds the open man. 7. Steve McNair - May finally be losing the battle with injuries, but offseason surgery for a previously undiscovered condition could be just the ticket. Gonna be tough for him now that all his surrounding talent is gone. 8. Ben Roethlisberger - Hard to argue with any QB who guides his team to 15-1, rookie or not. Will never put up huge numbers in Cowher\'s system, but they don\'t expect him to. Showed amazing poise and toughness for a first-year starter. 9. Michael Vick/Ron Mexico - Hard to like a QB who can\'t throw the ball, but you can\'t argue against his playmaking ability. I don\'t think the West Coast offense will ever fit him, but the Buzzards didn\'t go from the cellar to the rooftop on defense alone. 10. Drew Brees - Finally seemed to \"get it\" when some real competition was brought in. If he can build off last season, this kid will be dangerous for years to come. Won\'t hurt that SD has a wealth of draft picks to play with now, too. ...not a bad list, but I\'d put Matt Hasselbeck today before Favre and Mcnair, and any day before Brees...
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04-12-2005, 03:32 AM	#55
mutineer10 Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 1,739	Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks? ...not a bad list, but I\'d put Matt Hasselbeck today before Favre and Mcnair, and any day before Brees... I really considered bumping Brees to 9th and putting Hasselbeck at 10th, but instead believed the hype and put Vick/Mexico on the list. Hasselbeck\'s alot better than he\'s given credit for, especially considering that his numbers would be even more impressive if he didn\'t have the most dropsy-ridden WR corps in the entire league. Still puzzles me that Rice wasn\'t on the field in the playoffs, when Jackson stunned no one (including Hasselbeck, probably) by dropping the game-winning TD pass in the end zone.

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04-12-2005, 10:18 AM	#56
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks? when Jackson stunned no one (including Hasselbeck, probably) by dropping the game-winning TD pass in the end zone That was Bobby Engram not Jackson. Still shouldn\'t have been a shock though.

04-12-2005, 02:34 PM	#57
natedogg02 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 145	Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks? I like how this thread went from rating top 10 QBs to arguing about how everyone ranked them.
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