oakland ups ante for howard

baronm · 04-13-2005, 12:29 PM

I don\'t wanna sound pessimistic because I really do want to see the FO make a great move like that to get us the 6 and 38... but what do y\'all think are the chances of us making a move like that?

slim-somehow I think we are eeither going to score great in this draft or blow it big...one of the two...

LKelley67 · 04-13-2005, 12:49 PM

they have showed the chutzpah to move up before. LB is an incredible glaring need and there is only one sure-thing strong playmaker. we have heard nada even from the rumor mill to indicate this might be a possibility tho.

baronm · 04-13-2005, 01:34 PM

they have showed the chutzpah to move up before. LB is an incredible glaring need and there is only one sure-thing strong playmaker. we have heard nada even from the rumor mill to indicate this might be a possibility tho.

which means it could happen or they haven\'t thought of it...

FireVenturi · 04-13-2005, 02:39 PM

I don\'t wanna sound pessimistic because I really do want to see the FO make a great move like that to get us the 6 and 38... but what do y\'all think are the chances of us making a move like that?

slim and none

ScottyRo · 04-13-2005, 03:41 PM

I don\'t get it. Why accept the #38 overall, which would be completely speculative about who we got and what kind of player he\'d be, when Howard was drafted like #33 overall and is now a proven double digit sacker? Is he worth less now than when he was drafted?

Maybe I\'m missing something, but I think Oakland\'s got to throw in more than one measly 2nd round pick.

saintswhodi · 04-13-2005, 03:47 PM

I think one measely high second round pick is worth it for a guy that was gonna walk for nothing. And a guy who is playing a position we happen to be pretty well stocked for starters in. And a guy who is counting 7.8 mil against our current cap. I have no problem with that deal at all. Edge James was taken in the first round and not he may be traded for a second round pick. That\'s the reality of today\'s NFL unfortunately.

[Edited on 13/4/2005 by saintswhodi]

papz · 04-13-2005, 03:54 PM

About Castillo, he has admitted to using steriods. So all the talk about us even considering is now poop. Big risk of him being tested positive and missing games. I\'ll pass.

I agree that this isn\'t upping the ante. I rather have Buchanon for Howard then just a 2nd rounder. At least Buchanon has already proved to be a quality corner. Buchanon and a third or fourth sounds better. Heck just make it 1 for 1. I mean Howard\'s cap charge is a lot.

[Edited on 13/4/2005 by papz]

GumboBC · 04-13-2005, 04:07 PM

I can\'t find anywhere that says the Radiers have offered us anything.

Can anyone cofirm the Raiders\' offer?

Thanks ..

saintswhodi · 04-13-2005, 04:17 PM

We were gonna get nothing for him initially, so how is getting a high second rounder, which it has been thoroughly argued here could be a quality player at a position we really need, not good enough? We need to free up the money. We need to get something for him. We aren\'t getting a first rounder so how is a high secodn rounder not good in some way? Especially if it may give us the freedom to move up for DJ, which otherwise we pretty much have no shot at. Like I said, Edge James was a first round pick, thinking anyoen is giving up a first to get him? Not likely. If Howard was under contract at a reasonable salary, this would be a definite no. But since he isn\'t, getting something is better than getting nothing at all.

FireVenturi · 04-13-2005, 04:21 PM

I agree with u whodi, we could trade our 1st, 2nd and 4th to Tenn for the 6th overall and still have a 1,2,3,5,6,7

04-13-2005, 12:29 PM	#11
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	oakland ups ante for howard I don\'t wanna sound pessimistic because I really do want to see the FO make a great move like that to get us the 6 and 38... but what do y\'all think are the chances of us making a move like that? slim-somehow I think we are eeither going to score great in this draft or blow it big...one of the two...
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04-13-2005, 12:49 PM	#12
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	oakland ups ante for howard they have showed the chutzpah to move up before. LB is an incredible glaring need and there is only one sure-thing strong playmaker. we have heard nada even from the rumor mill to indicate this might be a possibility tho.

04-13-2005, 01:34 PM	#13
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	oakland ups ante for howard they have showed the chutzpah to move up before. LB is an incredible glaring need and there is only one sure-thing strong playmaker. we have heard nada even from the rumor mill to indicate this might be a possibility tho. which means it could happen or they haven\'t thought of it...
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954

04-13-2005, 02:39 PM	#14
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	oakland ups ante for howard I don\'t wanna sound pessimistic because I really do want to see the FO make a great move like that to get us the 6 and 38... but what do y\'all think are the chances of us making a move like that? slim and none

04-13-2005, 03:41 PM	#15
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	oakland ups ante for howard I don\'t get it. Why accept the #38 overall, which would be completely speculative about who we got and what kind of player he\'d be, when Howard was drafted like #33 overall and is now a proven double digit sacker? Is he worth less now than when he was drafted? Maybe I\'m missing something, but I think Oakland\'s got to throw in more than one measly 2nd round pick.

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04-13-2005, 03:47 PM	#16
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	oakland ups ante for howard I think one measely high second round pick is worth it for a guy that was gonna walk for nothing. And a guy who is playing a position we happen to be pretty well stocked for starters in. And a guy who is counting 7.8 mil against our current cap. I have no problem with that deal at all. Edge James was taken in the first round and not he may be traded for a second round pick. That\'s the reality of today\'s NFL unfortunately. [Edited on 13/4/2005 by saintswhodi]

04-13-2005, 03:54 PM	#17
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	oakland ups ante for howard About Castillo, he has admitted to using steriods. So all the talk about us even considering is now poop. Big risk of him being tested positive and missing games. I\'ll pass. I agree that this isn\'t upping the ante. I rather have Buchanon for Howard then just a 2nd rounder. At least Buchanon has already proved to be a quality corner. Buchanon and a third or fourth sounds better. Heck just make it 1 for 1. I mean Howard\'s cap charge is a lot. [Edited on 13/4/2005 by papz]

04-13-2005, 04:07 PM	#18
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	oakland ups ante for howard I can\'t find anywhere that says the Radiers have offered us anything. Can anyone cofirm the Raiders\' offer? Thanks ..
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04-13-2005, 04:17 PM	#19
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	oakland ups ante for howard We were gonna get nothing for him initially, so how is getting a high second rounder, which it has been thoroughly argued here could be a quality player at a position we really need, not good enough? We need to free up the money. We need to get something for him. We aren\'t getting a first rounder so how is a high secodn rounder not good in some way? Especially if it may give us the freedom to move up for DJ, which otherwise we pretty much have no shot at. Like I said, Edge James was a first round pick, thinking anyoen is giving up a first to get him? Not likely. If Howard was under contract at a reasonable salary, this would be a definite no. But since he isn\'t, getting something is better than getting nothing at all.

04-13-2005, 04:21 PM	#20
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	oakland ups ante for howard I agree with u whodi, we could trade our 1st, 2nd and 4th to Tenn for the 6th overall and still have a 1,2,3,5,6,7