So how important is Lattimore?

saintsfan1976 · 11-27-2017, 06:18 PM

We invested poorly in the secondary for years and now a lack of depth is really hurting us.

For those who argue we did lose THREE starting CBs - just imagine what we could have done instead of Browner, Byrd and the kid from Nebraska.

Danno · 11-27-2017, 06:21 PM

I'm pretty sure missing your top 2 starting CB's (3 if you count Breaux) would be significant on any team.

WW_Who_Dat · 11-27-2017, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I'm pretty sure missing your top 2 starting CB's (3 if you count Breaux) would be significant on any team.

We held the Rams to 26 points ... 26 points with backups ... this is a team that has scored 40 burgers almost weekly ... Come on Man ... dissapointed we lost but think about it 26 point with our 2 best CB's out. We have come a long way in a very short time not only with team play but with some of our fans level of expectation.

Name me any team that could have preformed any better with their 2 top CB's out ... Don't think you can ...

saintsfan1976 · 11-28-2017, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I'm pretty sure missing your top 2 starting CB's (3 if you count Breaux) would be significant on any team.

Significant sure but the fact we have such a drop off in performance is attributable to poor decisions. Don’t forget our top 2 CBs this year weren’t our top two CBs last year.

hagan714 · 11-28-2017, 04:25 AM

you never can have enough good CB

right now we do not

Rams are deep and loaded at CB.

That is were we want to be

K Major · 11-28-2017, 09:34 AM

Appreciate the insight XVI ...

But for me, I'm letting Kenny walk. There has been too many times where he has needed to make game changing plays and he's failed. Too inconsistent throughout his career & lacks play maker ability we desperately need at the position.

I'd be happy with a guy like Eric Reid, Barry Church (Dallas is now missing his production) & T.J. Ward types.

I'm in the minority here but over the years KV is too much hit or miss. He'll look like crap the first 3 weeks, then get better the next. Does he play well because of the talent around him? All I see is average at the position. We need more ball hawks and dawgs at safety.

Again, I'd let Kenny walk but that's just me

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ChrisXVI · 11-28-2017, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Appreciate the insight XVI ...

But for me, I'm letting Kenny walk. There has been too many times where he has needed to make game changing plays and he's failed. Too inconsistent throughout his career & lacks play maker ability we desperately need at the position.

I'd be happy with a guy like Eric Reid, Barry Church (Dallas is now missing his production) & T.J. Ward types.

I'm in the minority here but over the years KV is too much hit or miss. He'll look like crap the first 3 weeks, then get better the next. Does he play well because of the talent around him? All I see is average at the position. We need more ball hawks and dawgs at safety.

Again, I'd let Kenny walk but that's just me .

For the record, I think the Saints do intend to let him walk. I think there’s a reason we spent 2nd round picks in consecutive drafts on safeties.

Vacarro doesn’t shine on his own when the talent level around him is subpar. When Lattimore, Crawley, Williams and Bell are around him he looks great. Then you look at weeks 1, 2 and this past game and he looks totally lost.

The only reason I’d keep him is cohesiveness and fearing the drop off in chemistry like when Jenkins/Harper were let go.

RockyMountainSaint · 11-28-2017, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Appreciate the insight XVI ...

But for me, I'm letting Kenny walk. There has been too many times where he has needed to make game changing plays and he's failed. Too inconsistent throughout his career & lacks play maker ability we desperately need at the position.

I'd be happy with a guy like Eric Reid, Barry Church (Dallas is now missing his production) & T.J. Ward types.

I'm in the minority here but over the years KV is too much hit or miss. He'll look like crap the first 3 weeks, then get better the next. Does he play well because of the talent around him? All I see is average at the position. We need more ball hawks and dawgs at safety.
Again, I'd let Kenny walk but that's just me .

Don't forget the stupid personal fouls he gets to extend drives and kill D momentum.

jeanpierre · 11-28-2017, 11:43 AM

Here're the questions when it comes to Kenny Vaccaro...

Will there be better players in Free Agency? What are the options?

Is he worth top end money among Strong Safeties?

How integral a teammate is he to the roster chemistry?

Is there a rookie who can transition with an impact equal or greater?

We must have better play from the Strong Safety, but can Kenny get any better?

saintsfan1976 · 11-28-2017, 02:00 PM

KV’a issues are 1) versatility and 2) consistency. When he’s in the right role and playing good football he’s a top 10 SS.

11-27-2017, 06:18 PM	#1
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,022 Blog Entries: 3	Re: So how important is Lattimore? We invested poorly in the secondary for years and now a lack of depth is really hurting us. For those who argue we did lose THREE starting CBs - just imagine what we could have done instead of Browner, Byrd and the kid from Nebraska. hagan714 and jeanpierre like this.

11-27-2017, 06:21 PM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,757	Re: So how important is Lattimore? I'm pretty sure missing your top 2 starting CB's (3 if you count Breaux) would be significant on any team. saintfan, saintsfan1976, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.

11-27-2017, 07:03 PM	#3
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,279 Blog Entries: 1	Re: So how important is Lattimore? Originally Posted by Danno I'm pretty sure missing your top 2 starting CB's (3 if you count Breaux) would be significant on any team. We held the Rams to 26 points ... 26 points with backups ... this is a team that has scored 40 burgers almost weekly ... Come on Man ... dissapointed we lost but think about it 26 point with our 2 best CB's out. We have come a long way in a very short time not only with team play but with some of our fans level of expectation. Name me any team that could have preformed any better with their 2 top CB's out ... Don't think you can ... Papa Voodoo and Rugby Saint II like this.

11-28-2017, 10:47 AM	#4
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,022 Blog Entries: 3	Re: So how important is Lattimore? Originally Posted by Danno I'm pretty sure missing your top 2 starting CB's (3 if you count Breaux) would be significant on any team. Significant sure but the fact we have such a drop off in performance is attributable to poor decisions. Don’t forget our top 2 CBs this year weren’t our top two CBs last year. jeanpierre likes this.

11-28-2017, 04:25 AM	#5
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: So how important is Lattimore? you never can have enough good CB right now we do not Rams are deep and loaded at CB. That is were we want to be

11-28-2017, 09:34 AM	#6
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,830 Blog Entries: 3	Re: So how important is Lattimore? Appreciate the insight XVI ... But for me, I'm letting Kenny walk. There has been too many times where he has needed to make game changing plays and he's failed. Too inconsistent throughout his career & lacks play maker ability we desperately need at the position. I'd be happy with a guy like Eric Reid, Barry Church (Dallas is now missing his production) & T.J. Ward types. I'm in the minority here but over the years KV is too much hit or miss. He'll look like crap the first 3 weeks, then get better the next. Does he play well because of the talent around him? All I see is average at the position. We need more ball hawks and dawgs at safety. Again, I'd let Kenny walk but that's just me . RockyMountainSaint, WillMacKenzie, ScottF and 2 others like this.

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: So how important is Lattimore? Originally Posted by K Major Appreciate the insight XVI ... But for me, I'm letting Kenny walk. There has been too many times where he has needed to make game changing plays and he's failed. Too inconsistent throughout his career & lacks play maker ability we desperately need at the position. I'd be happy with a guy like Eric Reid, Barry Church (Dallas is now missing his production) & T.J. Ward types. I'm in the minority here but over the years KV is too much hit or miss. He'll look like crap the first 3 weeks, then get better the next. Does he play well because of the talent around him? All I see is average at the position. We need more ball hawks and dawgs at safety. Again, I'd let Kenny walk but that's just me . For the record, I think the Saints do intend to let him walk. I think there’s a reason we spent 2nd round picks in consecutive drafts on safeties. Vacarro doesn’t shine on his own when the talent level around him is subpar. When Lattimore, Crawley, Williams and Bell are around him he looks great. Then you look at weeks 1, 2 and this past game and he looks totally lost. The only reason I’d keep him is cohesiveness and fearing the drop off in chemistry like when Jenkins/Harper were let go. Rugby Saint II likes this.

11-28-2017, 11:29 AM	#8
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	Re: So how important is Lattimore? Originally Posted by K Major Appreciate the insight XVI ... But for me, I'm letting Kenny walk. There has been too many times where he has needed to make game changing plays and he's failed. Too inconsistent throughout his career & lacks play maker ability we desperately need at the position. I'd be happy with a guy like Eric Reid, Barry Church (Dallas is now missing his production) & T.J. Ward types. I'm in the minority here but over the years KV is too much hit or miss. He'll look like crap the first 3 weeks, then get better the next. Does he play well because of the talent around him? All I see is average at the position. We need more ball hawks and dawgs at safety. Again, I'd let Kenny walk but that's just me . Don't forget the stupid personal fouls he gets to extend drives and kill D momentum.

11-28-2017, 11:43 AM	#9
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: So how important is Lattimore? Here're the questions when it comes to Kenny Vaccaro... Will there be better players in Free Agency? What are the options? Is he worth top end money among Strong Safeties? How integral a teammate is he to the roster chemistry? Is there a rookie who can transition with an impact equal or greater? We must have better play from the Strong Safety, but can Kenny get any better?

11-28-2017, 02:00 PM	#10
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,022 Blog Entries: 3	Re: So how important is Lattimore? KV’a issues are 1) versatility and 2) consistency. When he’s in the right role and playing good football he’s a top 10 SS. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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