What we learned from our loss on Thursday night

blackangold · 12-07-2017, 11:04 PM

It’s on Brees not Payton. Payton didn’t decide to throw that pick... Brees has a wide open check down and missed it.

Fact is Brees is just average now, for what ever reason, the arm or his ticker isn’t working as well... whatever it is he’s just not the MVP type player anymore.

The MVP in this offense is Kamara and with him out we are An average offense.

Halo · 12-07-2017, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

It’s on Brees not Payton. Payton didn’t decide to throw that pick... Brees has a wide open check down and missed it.

Wrong. But you've been blaming Brees for 7 freaking years, even when the defense was dead last in the NFL and worst of all time.
We learned that we had to hear you say the same thing again.

cars4dylan · 12-07-2017, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

Wrong. But you've been blaming Brees for 7 freaking years, even when the defense was dead last in the NFL and worst of all time.
We learned that we had to hear you say the same thing again.

He may have been wrong in the past, but please point out how he's wrong in this this instance....

That L goes to play calling and not letting Ingram just eat the clock.

Brees has been sub par at best for all but one half in the Redskins game. That's just based on what I see in his decision making and throws. That first half td to Tommy Lee was a friggin ugly Manningesque pass that was just lucky enough to work.

Something ain't right with the QB and it's multi faceted for him sadly enough. Love him but the game he's playing isn't up to his own standard that he's set over the last decade.

Halo · 12-07-2017, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by cars4dylan

Something ain't right with the QB and it's multi faceted for him sadly enough. Love him but the game he's playing isn't up to his own standard that he's set over the last decade.

That's because we hardly have any talent at WR. And we definitely don't have a Tight End who can catch the ball. Even Fleener, when he played, was average at catching at best. Sorry but these wide receivers simply don't get open.

Fortunately we found a running game and have an o-ilne that can run block. The o-line doesn't pass block so well.

You can blame Brees all you want, but sorry the Rams game was a team loss and so was tonight. Remember, the Falcons strong point this season is their defense.

The Dude · 12-11-2017, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

That's because we hardly have any talent at WR. And we definitely don't have a Tight End who can catch the ball. Even Fleener, when he played, was average at catching at best. Sorry but these wide receivers simply don't get open.

Fortunately we found a running game and have an o-ilne that can run block. The o-line doesn't pass block so well.

You can blame Brees all you want, but sorry the Rams game was a team loss and so was tonight. Remember, the Falcons strong point this season is their defense.

I agree. The lack of a receiving threat and speedster hurts him. In the past he’s had the ability to make average receivers with minimal talent look great. He’s at the point now where he needs a playmaker who can stretch out and make those catches that may be off. He needs a receiver that makes him better. I think they thought Ginn and Snead could get it done but they aren’t quite there. A true number one receiver to go opposite of Thomas may be smart in the draft. We have more depth than I realized elsewhere. Fill in the offensive line, Lb, and DE in later rounds.
They obviously expected more out of Fleener. A TE would go a long way.

turbo_dog · 12-11-2017, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I agree. The lack of a receiving threat and speedster hurts him. In the past he’s had the ability to make average receivers with minimal talent look great. He’s at the point now where he needs a playmaker who can stretch out and make those catches that may be off. He needs a receiver that makes him better. I think they thought Ginn and Snead could get it done but they aren’t quite there. A true number one receiver to go opposite of Thomas may be smart in the draft. We have more depth than I realized elsewhere. Fill in the offensive line, Lb, and DE in later rounds.
They obviously expected more out of Fleener. A TE would go a long way.

I don't know, Dude. Thomas is a true number one receiver, and Ginn has done MORE than I expected from him this season. I am surprised by the lack of looks Snead has gotten since he came back, but I think that's just a product of the running game being so strong. As far as TE, I totally agree! This year it has been our weakest position, and it's not even close.

blackangold · 12-07-2017, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

Wrong. But you've been blaming Brees for 7 freaking years, even when the defense was dead last in the NFL and worst of all time.
We learned that we had to hear you say the same thing again.

Wrong that Brees didn’t have an open check down? Wrong that Brees threw a pick into a crowd of defenders... oh no wait, those things actually happen. I guess Payton’s play call was specifically for Brees to throw the pick, wonder what the name of that play is...

Payton has never gotten off the hook from me, but this game wasn’t in him as much. Brees held the ball too long all game and made some poor decisions to boot. Carmichael is still the better play caller.

Halo · 12-07-2017, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Wrong that Brees didn’t have an open check down? Wrong that Brees threw a pick into a crowd of defenders... oh no wait, those things actually happen. I guess Payton’s play call was specifically for Brees to throw the pick, wonder what the name of that play is...

Payton has never gotten off the hook from me, but this game wasn’t in him as much. Brees held the ball too long all game and made some poor decisions to boot. Carmichael is still the better play caller.

No the play was to throw directly to the Tight End in the end zone over the middle. The safety valve is to throw to the runningback if Brees had pressure.
We ran this play with Jimmy Graham for years. Problem is, we have no Jimmy Graham's anymore.

It's a stupid play call. Run some clock, run the ball, why call a play to throw into double coverage?
On the following drive SP runs out on the field and lost his cool with a ref after the fumble they recovered.
Sorry but SP lost his cool and his nerve tonight.

blackangold · 12-07-2017, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

No the play was to throw directly to the Tight End in the end zone over the middle. The safety valve is to throw to the runningback if Brees had pressure.
We ran this play with Jimmy Graham for years. Problem is, we have no Jimmy Graham's anymore.

It's a stupid play call. Run some clock, run the ball, why call a play to throw into double coverage?
On the following drive SP runs out on the field and lost his cool with a ref after the fumble they recovered.
Sorry but SP lost his cool and his nerve tonight.

I agree Brees has no WR/TE weapons... hell Thomas is really only a possession guy, but Brees knows better than to throw that ball. You could tell by his expression that he knew it was on him.

Regardless, the better team lost tonight. It pisses me off because this basically ensures we won’t get a first round bye. Need to get healthy and we’ll easily win the next 3 games.

WillSaints81 · 12-08-2017, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

I agree Brees has no WR/TE weapons... hell Thomas is really only a possession guy, but Brees knows better than to throw that ball. You could tell by his expression that he knew it was on him.

Regardless, the better team lost tonight. It pisses me off because this basically ensures we won’t get a first round bye. Need to get healthy and we’ll easily win the next 3 games.

We can still get a first round bye. We have an easier remaining schedule than Minnesota. But Minnesota has to lose week 15 to Cincinatti.

12-07-2017, 11:04 PM	#1
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: What we learned from our loss on Thursday night It’s on Brees not Payton. Payton didn’t decide to throw that pick... Brees has a wide open check down and missed it. Fact is Brees is just average now, for what ever reason, the arm or his ticker isn’t working as well... whatever it is he’s just not the MVP type player anymore. The MVP in this offense is Kamara and with him out we are An average offense. dizzle88 likes this.

12-07-2017, 11:10 PM	#2
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,894 Blog Entries: 45	Re: What we learned from our loss on Thursday night Originally Posted by blackangold It’s on Brees not Payton. Payton didn’t decide to throw that pick... Brees has a wide open check down and missed it. Wrong. But you've been blaming Brees for 7 freaking years, even when the defense was dead last in the NFL and worst of all time. We learned that we had to hear you say the same thing again. RockyMountainSaint likes this.

12-07-2017, 11:21 PM	#3
cars4dylan 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 106	Re: What we learned from our loss on Thursday night Originally Posted by Halo Wrong. But you've been blaming Brees for 7 freaking years, even when the defense was dead last in the NFL and worst of all time. We learned that we had to hear you say the same thing again. He may have been wrong in the past, but please point out how he's wrong in this this instance.... That L goes to play calling and not letting Ingram just eat the clock. Brees has been sub par at best for all but one half in the Redskins game. That's just based on what I see in his decision making and throws. That first half td to Tommy Lee was a friggin ugly Manningesque pass that was just lucky enough to work. Something ain't right with the QB and it's multi faceted for him sadly enough. Love him but the game he's playing isn't up to his own standard that he's set over the last decade. blackangold likes this.
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12-07-2017, 11:29 PM	#4
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,894 Blog Entries: 45	Re: What we learned from our loss on Thursday night Originally Posted by cars4dylan Something ain't right with the QB and it's multi faceted for him sadly enough. Love him but the game he's playing isn't up to his own standard that he's set over the last decade. That's because we hardly have any talent at WR. And we definitely don't have a Tight End who can catch the ball. Even Fleener, when he played, was average at catching at best. Sorry but these wide receivers simply don't get open. Fortunately we found a running game and have an o-ilne that can run block. The o-line doesn't pass block so well. You can blame Brees all you want, but sorry the Rams game was a team loss and so was tonight. Remember, the Falcons strong point this season is their defense. saintfan and SmashMouth like this.

12-11-2017, 01:23 PM	#5
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: What we learned from our loss on Thursday night Originally Posted by Halo That's because we hardly have any talent at WR. And we definitely don't have a Tight End who can catch the ball. Even Fleener, when he played, was average at catching at best. Sorry but these wide receivers simply don't get open. Fortunately we found a running game and have an o-ilne that can run block. The o-line doesn't pass block so well. You can blame Brees all you want, but sorry the Rams game was a team loss and so was tonight. Remember, the Falcons strong point this season is their defense. I agree. The lack of a receiving threat and speedster hurts him. In the past he’s had the ability to make average receivers with minimal talent look great. He’s at the point now where he needs a playmaker who can stretch out and make those catches that may be off. He needs a receiver that makes him better. I think they thought Ginn and Snead could get it done but they aren’t quite there. A true number one receiver to go opposite of Thomas may be smart in the draft. We have more depth than I realized elsewhere. Fill in the offensive line, Lb, and DE in later rounds. They obviously expected more out of Fleener. A TE would go a long way.
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12-11-2017, 04:31 PM	#6
turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,701	Re: What we learned from our loss on Thursday night Originally Posted by The Dude I agree. The lack of a receiving threat and speedster hurts him. In the past he’s had the ability to make average receivers with minimal talent look great. He’s at the point now where he needs a playmaker who can stretch out and make those catches that may be off. He needs a receiver that makes him better. I think they thought Ginn and Snead could get it done but they aren’t quite there. A true number one receiver to go opposite of Thomas may be smart in the draft. We have more depth than I realized elsewhere. Fill in the offensive line, Lb, and DE in later rounds. They obviously expected more out of Fleener. A TE would go a long way. I don't know, Dude. Thomas is a true number one receiver, and Ginn has done MORE than I expected from him this season. I am surprised by the lack of looks Snead has gotten since he came back, but I think that's just a product of the running game being so strong. As far as TE, I totally agree! This year it has been our weakest position, and it's not even close.

12-07-2017, 11:31 PM	#7
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: What we learned from our loss on Thursday night Originally Posted by Halo Wrong. But you've been blaming Brees for 7 freaking years, even when the defense was dead last in the NFL and worst of all time. We learned that we had to hear you say the same thing again. Wrong that Brees didn’t have an open check down? Wrong that Brees threw a pick into a crowd of defenders... oh no wait, those things actually happen. I guess Payton’s play call was specifically for Brees to throw the pick, wonder what the name of that play is... Payton has never gotten off the hook from me, but this game wasn’t in him as much. Brees held the ball too long all game and made some poor decisions to boot. Carmichael is still the better play caller.

12-07-2017, 11:36 PM	#8
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,894 Blog Entries: 45	Re: What we learned from our loss on Thursday night Originally Posted by blackangold Wrong that Brees didn’t have an open check down? Wrong that Brees threw a pick into a crowd of defenders... oh no wait, those things actually happen. I guess Payton’s play call was specifically for Brees to throw the pick, wonder what the name of that play is... Payton has never gotten off the hook from me, but this game wasn’t in him as much. Brees held the ball too long all game and made some poor decisions to boot. Carmichael is still the better play caller. No the play was to throw directly to the Tight End in the end zone over the middle. The safety valve is to throw to the runningback if Brees had pressure. We ran this play with Jimmy Graham for years. Problem is, we have no Jimmy Graham's anymore. It's a stupid play call. Run some clock, run the ball, why call a play to throw into double coverage? On the following drive SP runs out on the field and lost his cool with a ref after the fumble they recovered. Sorry but SP lost his cool and his nerve tonight. SaintFanInATLHELL, RockyMountainSaint and SmashMouth like this.
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12-07-2017, 11:41 PM	#9
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: What we learned from our loss on Thursday night Originally Posted by Halo No the play was to throw directly to the Tight End in the end zone over the middle. The safety valve is to throw to the runningback if Brees had pressure. We ran this play with Jimmy Graham for years. Problem is, we have no Jimmy Graham's anymore. It's a stupid play call. Run some clock, run the ball, why call a play to throw into double coverage? On the following drive SP runs out on the field and lost his cool with a ref after the fumble they recovered. Sorry but SP lost his cool and his nerve tonight. I agree Brees has no WR/TE weapons... hell Thomas is really only a possession guy, but Brees knows better than to throw that ball. You could tell by his expression that he knew it was on him. Regardless, the better team lost tonight. It pisses me off because this basically ensures we won’t get a first round bye. Need to get healthy and we’ll easily win the next 3 games.

12-08-2017, 10:27 AM	#10
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,283	Re: What we learned from our loss on Thursday night Originally Posted by blackangold I agree Brees has no WR/TE weapons... hell Thomas is really only a possession guy, but Brees knows better than to throw that ball. You could tell by his expression that he knew it was on him. Regardless, the better team lost tonight. It pisses me off because this basically ensures we won’t get a first round bye. Need to get healthy and we’ll easily win the next 3 games. We can still get a first round bye. We have an easier remaining schedule than Minnesota. But Minnesota has to lose week 15 to Cincinatti.