Run The F**king Ball, Sean!

blackangold · 12-07-2017, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

The play-calling was directly attributable to the loss tonight...

And it was more than just the last drive, it was that entire second half...

This Atlanta coach knows Payton and he now owns Payton...

The fact that four defenders were around Josh Hill is evident of my point...

I think that proves my point, Brees throws to a guy covered by 4 people and had Ingram wide open in the flat. That’s not bad play calling that’s bad decision making by Brees.

jeanpierre · 12-07-2017, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

I think that proves my point, Brees throws to a guy covered by 4 people and had Ingram wide open in the flat. That’s not bad play calling that’s bad decision making by Brees.

Black, my point is we shouldn't have even been passing at that point regardless...

Halo · 12-07-2017, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Black, my point is we shouldn't have even been passing at that point regardless...

I think MI was hurt.
Look SP got ahead of himself. Kamara went down and MI was one injury away from totally destroying any gameplan SP had.

And the playcall at the end showed me that SP has lost his touch. He'll have to earn my respect again before I trust him as a playcaller.

WillSaints81 · 12-08-2017, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Black, my point is we shouldn't have even been passing at that point regardless...

In all honesty, if Ingram could not get first downs then we had to pass. The receivers aren't getting a lot of first downs with their catches, so we need three chances for a big catch. The tight-window throws is a fluctuator with our team...they help and hurt, like that int.

WillSaints81 · 12-08-2017, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Ingram was hurt you guys... he was questionable before the game with toe issues, gameplan was likely heavily on Kamara. Ingram got even more banged up during the game. I don’t blame the calls on the last drive... that was all brees.

Then he should not have been taking first down carries...

If there is one thing I observed, it is that Brees throws shorter passes than before, and is more susceptible to sacks than before. That's not on SP except for the fact that he isn't accommodating Drew. Drew is getting sacked on crucial third downs quite a few times this season and that's mostly a result of running the ball for little gains on first down or loss of yards, which puts the offense in a hole.

Passes get completed, but mostly they are screens to RBs and WRs. Short-yardage catches that don't result in first downs are an issue.

Another problem is the Oline not being disciplined enough because we always get too many offensive penalties. That could be the difference without Streif. He is not in there to set that team straight. That's a mostly young and immature oline.

Rell&Gold · 12-07-2017, 11:16 PM

And the sad part is he wasnt forcing ANY passes earlier playing real smart for the most part. Except maybe his pocket presence on those sacks but felt like he played well up until Last throw. Saint do not know how to close out games

Rell&Gold · 12-07-2017, 11:19 PM

Finish strong awareness...gametime situation even on the fumble NOONE was aware of the ball on the ground....Saints players need to start preparing for 4 quarter football game

jeanpierre · 12-07-2017, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

Finish strong awareness...gametime situation even on the fumble NO ONE was aware of the ball on the ground....Saints players need to start preparing for 4 quarter football game

Vonn Bell was one terrible whiff by Payton in the draft last year - he has absolutely no awareness whatsoever...

With the coaching we now have on defense and Bell's lack of ball awareness, you can add Safety to off-season needs...

Beastmode · 12-07-2017, 11:56 PM

I love Brees but no way does Rogers throw that ball. It still has not registered for me. For one, even if it was a TD, plenty of time on the clock for them to score. Two, we did not need a TD. Get the 3 and give us a shot. Stupid. Really stupid and almost no QB would make that throw. It was not a do or die situation.

nola_swammi · 12-08-2017, 12:04 AM

No one should be blaming anyone on defense for the end result in this game. All of the defensive players played a great game

12-07-2017, 11:07 PM	#1
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Run The Fking Ball, Sean! Originally Posted by jeanpierre** The play-calling was directly attributable to the loss tonight... And it was more than just the last drive, it was that entire second half... This Atlanta coach knows Payton and he now owns Payton... The fact that four defenders were around Josh Hill is evident of my point... I think that proves my point, Brees throws to a guy covered by 4 people and had Ingram wide open in the flat. That’s not bad play calling that’s bad decision making by Brees. Papa Voodoo, Rell&Gold and rezburna like this.

12-07-2017, 11:17 PM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Run The Fking Ball, Sean! Originally Posted by blackangold I think that proves my point, Brees throws to a guy covered by 4 people and had Ingram wide open in the flat. That’s not bad play calling that’s bad decision making by Brees. Black, my point is we shouldn't have even been passing at that point regardless...** RockyMountainSaint likes this.

12-07-2017, 11:20 PM	#3
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,903 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Run The Fking Ball, Sean! Originally Posted by jeanpierre Black, my point is we shouldn't have even been passing at that point regardless...** I think MI was hurt. Look SP got ahead of himself. Kamara went down and MI was one injury away from totally destroying any gameplan SP had. And the playcall at the end showed me that SP has lost his touch. He'll have to earn my respect again before I trust him as a playcaller. jeanpierre likes this.

12-08-2017, 09:40 AM	#4
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,285	Re: Run The Fking Ball, Sean! Originally Posted by jeanpierre Black, my point is we shouldn't have even been passing at that point regardless...** In all honesty, if Ingram could not get first downs then we had to pass. The receivers aren't getting a lot of first downs with their catches, so we need three chances for a big catch. The tight-window throws is a fluctuator with our team...they help and hurt, like that int.

12-08-2017, 09:36 AM	#5
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,285	Re: Run The Fking Ball, Sean! Originally Posted by blackangold** Ingram was hurt you guys... he was questionable before the game with toe issues, gameplan was likely heavily on Kamara. Ingram got even more banged up during the game. I don’t blame the calls on the last drive... that was all brees. Then he should not have been taking first down carries... If there is one thing I observed, it is that Brees throws shorter passes than before, and is more susceptible to sacks than before. That's not on SP except for the fact that he isn't accommodating Drew. Drew is getting sacked on crucial third downs quite a few times this season and that's mostly a result of running the ball for little gains on first down or loss of yards, which puts the offense in a hole. Passes get completed, but mostly they are screens to RBs and WRs. Short-yardage catches that don't result in first downs are an issue. Another problem is the Oline not being disciplined enough because we always get too many offensive penalties. That could be the difference without Streif. He is not in there to set that team straight. That's a mostly young and immature oline.

12-07-2017, 11:16 PM	#6
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: Run The Fking Ball, Sean!** And the sad part is he wasnt forcing ANY passes earlier playing real smart for the most part. Except maybe his pocket presence on those sacks but felt like he played well up until Last throw. Saint do not know how to close out games

12-07-2017, 11:19 PM	#7
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: Run The Fking Ball, Sean!** Finish strong awareness...gametime situation even on the fumble NOONE was aware of the ball on the ground....Saints players need to start preparing for 4 quarter football game

12-07-2017, 11:26 PM	#8
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Run The Fking Ball, Sean! Originally Posted by Rell&Gold** Finish strong awareness...gametime situation even on the fumble NO ONE was aware of the ball on the ground....Saints players need to start preparing for 4 quarter football game Vonn Bell was one terrible whiff by Payton in the draft last year - he has absolutely no awareness whatsoever... With the coaching we now have on defense and Bell's lack of ball awareness, you can add Safety to off-season needs...
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12-07-2017, 11:56 PM	#9
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Run The Fking Ball, Sean!** I love Brees but no way does Rogers throw that ball. It still has not registered for me. For one, even if it was a TD, plenty of time on the clock for them to score. Two, we did not need a TD. Get the 3 and give us a shot. Stupid. Really stupid and almost no QB would make that throw. It was not a do or die situation. RockyMountainSaint, dizzle88, rezburna and 1 others like this.
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12-08-2017, 12:04 AM	#10
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Run The Fking Ball, Sean!** No one should be blaming anyone on defense for the end result in this game. All of the defensive players played a great game RockyMountainSaint likes this.